Maitland Genealogy - Lister Section
This is the family of Ethyl Ann Lister, grandmother of Antony Maitland. She came from Willenhall, but her family originated in the East Shropshire coal-fields of Broseley and Benthall, where they married with families of Bradley, Roper and Hughes (farmers of Wellington). They migrated to the Wolverhampton/Willenhall area in the 1830's
During the late 18thC and early 19thC, many of them worked in the mines in Broseley and Benthall districts. Coal production in Broseley declined in the 1830's, with only 126 people being employed in coal mines in 1840. Ironstone and clay mining continued longer. This industrial decline probably led to Thomas Lister's migration to Wolverhampton where the mines were still developing and profitable.
The tithe records for Broseley show a number of Listers owning or renting property in Broseley: a Thomas Lister was one of these, but it is not likely that he is our ancestor, who moved to Wolverhampton about this time. He would not have done so if he had significant property interests.
Broseley is located in the southern end of the Coalbrookdale coal-field. There are a number of minerals available notably coal, ironstone, brick, red and tile clays and limestone to the west of the Broseley Fault, at Benthall. All these minerals have been exploited over the years. The minerals are at a comparatively shallow depth and were mined by insetts (adits) into the hillside, by shallow shafts or in the case of limestone by quarrying. Thomas Lister variously described himself as a coalminer or stone miner (ironstone).
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Issue Date: 14/8/2005
Sources:
1. Civil BMD Records 2. Parish Records.
3. IGI/AF. 4. Census.
5. Family interview. 6: Newspaper & other publications
7: Wills 8: Tombstone
9. Family History 9w: JP&S Documented history.
9a: AS Parkes. 9p: Photo Albums.
Acom: ancestry.com
Appendices and other References:
Lister Will full text
1. Reference to early Listers in Broseley in "Broseley Anti-Felons".
2. Background on Canals on the Severn.
3. List of Mines in Cheshire & Shropshire
4. Broseley Directories (Lister mentions)
5. Churches: All Saints Broseley (St Leonard's)
6. Birchmeadow Chapel
7. Industrialization and Canals: Britain
8. Piggots 1822:
BROSELEY COALBROOK-DALE, COALPORT, IRON-BRIDGE AND MADELEY.
9. Piggots 1835:
BROSLEY AND MADELEY WITH COALBRROK-DALE, COALPORT, IRONBRIDGE, BENTHALL & NEIGHBOURHOODS
Broseley Local History Society - source of much background information.
|Thomas Lister (1803-1874)
| | |John Lister
| | |?Thomas Lyster?
6 7 |Thomas Lyster
| | | |Mary Bradley
| |Elizabeth Lyster (1784-)
| |Ann Farmer
|William Lister (1827-1884)
| | |Nathaniel Bradley
| | |Thomas Bradley
| | |Morris Bradley
| | | |Alice
| 6 |John Bradley
| | | |Elizabeth Rogers
| | |Francis Bradley
| | | | |Thomas Bevan
| | | |Mary Bevan
| | | |Elizabeth Clea
| | |John Bradley
| |Ann Bradley (1806-1883)
| | |Samuel Lyster
| | |William Lyster
| 7 | | |John Scale
| | 8 9 |John Scale, jnr
| | | |Elizabeth Scale
| |Ann Lyster
| | |Francis Bradley
| | | |Mary Bradley
| | |Francis Bradley
| | | |Jane
| |Elizabeth Bradley
| | |Thomas Darby
| 9 |William Darby
| | |Sarah
| |Elizabeth Darby
| |Jane
|Samuel Lister (1856-1923)
| | |Timothy Roper
| | |Timothy Roper
| | |Timothy Roper
| | |Elizabeth Kidson
| |Martha Roper (1822-)
| | |Samuel Morris
| |Mary Morris
| |Martha Evans
Ethel Ann Lister (1885-1951)
| |John Palmer
| |David Palmer (1814-)
|Sarah Palmer (1856-1938)
| |John Hughes
| |Edward Hughes
| | |Judith Bartlom
| |John Hughes (1712-)
| | | |John Pearce
| 8 |Alice Pearse
| | |Jane Jones
| |John Hughes (1737-)
| | | |William Shephard
| 7 8 |Richard Sheapard
| | | | |Jane Owen
| | Mary Shephard
| | |Sara Dogg
| |John Hughes (1762-1851)
| 6 |Mary
| |
|Hannah Hughes (1820-)
|Ann Davies
THE LISTER FAMILY
ETHEL ANNE LISTER
AM04/04
Born5: 1/9/1885, Willenhall
Birth Cert Wolverhampton 12/85 6b 68(?)9
Parents: Samuel & Sarah Lister.
Married5: 15/4/1915, Arthur Josiah Parkes More
Died5: 3/9/1951, Oaken, Codsall. Service at Codsall Church.
Obtained Second Class in Stage 1 in Inorganic Chemistry (Practical & Theoretical) from Board of Education, South Kensington, 1905.
Issue:
1/1. Rosemary Joyce Lister Parkes (14/6/1919),
1/2. Elizabeth Ursula Parkes. (1922).
Her daughter, Rosemary, thinks that she was conceived in Stresa on Lake Maggiori in Italy, where her parents were on R&R towards the end of the 1st World War. Her mother, a VAD nurse, had travelled there by train, no mean feat at that time, probably done as a uniformed nurse which aided travel in those times.
She had a good sense of humour. She was brought up by her parents in the Trinity branch of Protestantism. RJLM remembers her swearing all to secrecy that they had played bridge on a Sunday, which would have been disapproved of by her parents. She had a brain haemorrhage in September 1937, when RJLP was studying for Cambridge entrance, and spent some time in hospital. She remained somewhat disabled - A3M only remembers her seated. She died in September 1951 (brain tumour?), while the family was on holiday in Abersoch, N Wales. Arthur commissioned a window on the west front of Codsall Church in her memory.
She was a nurse in the 1st War at Clandon Park (post cards dated 1916/7)
Dower House Docs:
To Italy, 20/9/1918, Modano?
Passport "British Control Milan"
Bearer is processing to London UK via Paris. For the purpose returning home her husband's leave having terminated. Address "The Manor" Willenhall. 2/10/1918. Entry into France at Modane (N of Briancon) 2/10/1918.
Passport Endorsements: Travelling to Italy via France. Bearer declares that she is proceeding to Rapallo Italy for the purpose of meeting her husband on leave there 11/9/1918.
Military Permit Office: Italy, joining Husband valid for the duration of his leave at Rapallo. Report British Consul on arrival at Turin. Via Havre Paris etc. Authorisation from French "to join husband".
SAMUEL LISTER
AM05/07
The father of Ethel Parkes.
Birth & Marriage certs held.
Born1: 8/8/1856 @ Portobello, Willenhall 8/8/1856
Parents: William & Martha (Roper) Lister.
Died7: @ 229 Tettenhall Rd 22/1/1923,
Age 66 W'ton 6b 584
Born and raised in Portobello, Willenhall, his father was a coal miner, a trade in which he was in 1881: the only Samuel Lister of the right age listed in 1881 census was probably him as a miner lodging in Ogley Hay, Brownhills. By his marriage at the end of that year, he was resident in Paradise St, Wolverhampton. 10 years later in 1891 he had moved to 15, Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall where he was a "commission agent", and listed as a tea & furniture dealer in 1892.
In 1901, they lived in Bank Street, Willenhall, as a Furniture dealer: Ethel's later Parkes family live a few doors away!
They moved from the Manor Estate, Willenhall (where they were in 1908 - postcards were addressed there), to Bakers Buildings (including son Howard) in Wolverhampton in abt 1910. Probably 13 Bank St Willenhall in 1915. At his death, he lived with his wife and Gladys and Howard at 229 Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton: Gladys lived here until her death in 1962.
He bought a carpet and drapery business in Chapel Ash for his son Howard, whose health was not good enough for military service in the Great War.
He left his house and contents to his wife with the rest of his estate (about £9500) in trust for his children with the income to his wife for life: an annuity was payable to Gladys, who needed help all her life.
Express and Star, January 23rd 1923:
Lister January 22nd at 229 Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton. Samuel Lister J.P. (suddenly) aged 66 years. Interment at Willenhall New Cemetary o Thursday 25th at 12 pm. Service at Trinity Chapel, Compton Rd, Wolverhampton at 10.30 am.
Express and Star, January 25th 1923: (print not clear)
The late Mr Samuel Lister today Thursday 25th
Prior to the interment at Willenhall, service held at Trinity Weslyan Chapel, Compton Rd, Wolverhampton. List of attendees, including the bench of Willenhall and strong representation of police.
Dower House Collection.
Letters of condolence from many inter alia:
Darlaston St Circuit, Methodist
Willenhall Urban District Council
Staffs Education Committee, Walsall Rd School. "always found him consciensious sympathetic and helpful."
Wolverhampton (Rugby Union) Football Club
Murton & Varley Ltd - as a customer - a perfect gentleman.
Schedule of petty sessions - JP
3 post cards to Howard, Sarah & Ethel from France about 22 April 1908, while they were on holiday elsewhere (addressed to The Manor) or simply on holday from school.
Willenhall History Society Website 29/1/00 (download 26/11/01)
Lister Street. This street was originally named Mount Pleasant but was renamed Lister Street on 29.07.1910 in honour of Councillor Samuel Lister who was elected a member of the Willenhall Urban District Council on April 18th 1898 and served as chairman from 1908 until 1912. He also served as Overseer for the Poor. (Josiah Parkes jnr was also a councillor) (Willenhall History Society Website, 29/1/2000).
http://www.shercliff.demon.co.uk/WHS/streetl.htm
Married1: 26/12/1881 at Parish Ch, St John, W'ton
SARAH PALMER
AM05/08
The mother of Ethel Parkes.
Born1: 1/10/1856 at Church St, Willenhall,
Parents: David & Hannah (Hughes) Palmer.
Married: Samuel Lister 26/12/1881 @ the Parish Church of St John,
Wolverhampton (age 24, of Paradise St).
Died7: of 229 Tettenhall Rd, W'ton @ Queen Victoria Nursing Institute,
W'ton, 25/7/1938.
Prob, Bham, 27/9/1938 to AJP & Reginald Harris. £6986-10-10d
Will dated 7/11/1930 appointed AJ Parkes and Reginald Harris of Number
1 New Road Willenhall Executors.
Legacies:
To daughter Gladys Lister 25 pounds.
To Granddaughter Rosemary Parkes 25 pounds at 21 years old
To Granddaughter Elizabeth Ursula Parkes 25 pounds at 21 years
The remainder to daughter Ethel Parkes.
Witness Martha J Lister & Gertrude Nellie Humphreyson.
1881 Census, 98, Tettenhall Rd, W'ton: probably her. Sarah Palmer (23,
Cook, Willenhall), Charles Matthews, Head.
Her granddaughter, RJL (Parkes) Maitland said she was a splendid woman -
Had a cataract operation abt 1937. She and Ethel would go to London for
evening shows.
Issue:
1/1. Ethel Ann Lister b. 1/9/1884
1/2. Gladys Hilda Lister
Birth Registered at Wolverhampton 3/1891 ref 6b 616 (646?) Born
21/12/1890 at 15, Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall.
Father: Samuel Lister. Mother: Sarah, formerly Palmer.
Father's Occupation: Commission Agent.
Scholars Certificate given by London Institute for the Advancement of
Needlework, "Very Good" in Plain Needlework "Bag", July 1904.
Very Fair in Plain Needlework, Pillowcase.
Aunt Gladys never married, and lived at 229, Tettenhall Rd,
Wolverhampton, where her parents had lived, and was rather eccentric:
AJP, her brother-in-law found her very trying (he said she must have
been dropped on her head at birth!), but looked after her affairs. To
children, she was fascinating and her house on Tettenhall Rd,
Wolverhampton was a treasure trove. She died in 13/6/1962 at 229
Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton, of cancer of rectum, and in her will of
26/4/1962, left her nieces her jewellery and personal effects and the
cash residue to her 4 nephews and nieces (about £6000 each).
Dower House collection:
Gladys H Lister confirmed 2 June 1906. First communion 17 June 1906.
St Anne's Chapel.(P28-01)
1/3. Howard Frank Lister,
born: Willenhall, abt 1896 (census).
Died 2/11/1930 at 229 Tettenhall Rd, leaving £8215-9-2d.
Was not strong and never married. His will of 3/1/1925 described him
as a furniture dealer of Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton and appointed
AJ Parkes and a solicitor as executors. He left the capital in trust,
the income to go to his mother Sarah for her life, and after her
death to his sister, Gladys. After Gladys' death the residue should
have reverted to his other sister, Ethel but she predeceased Gladys.
It appeared that the capital became part of Gladys' estate on her
death in 1963.
Referred to as "Bill" in many letters of condolence - obviously much
liked. Also a member of the Rugby Club. Many of the letters referred
to the suddenness of his death, and how much he was liked. I think
this was reflected in his niece, Rosemary Parkes memory of him.
Details of SAMUEL LISTER:
Birth Certificate: Wolverhampton 6B 419, 9/1856
Born at Portobello, Willenhall, 8/8/1856, reg 26/8/1856
Father: William, a Coalminer. Mother Martha, formerly Roper.
Marriage Certificate:
Samuel Lister/Sarah Palmer: Wolverhampton 6b 908, 12/1881.
Married 26/12/1881 at Parish Ch, St John, W'ton.
Samuel L, age 25, Bachelor, of Paradise St. Occupation: Miner.
Father: William L, a Charter-master.
Sarah Palmer, age 24, Spinster, of Paradise St.
Father: David Palmer, Bolt-maker.
Witnesses: John Lister & Emily Edwards.
1861 Census, Portobello:
With parents: Samuel (4, Portobello).
1871 Census, Mill St, Willenhall: with family
1881 (mar cert): a miner @ Paradise St, Wolverhampton.
1881 Census, Chester Rd, Ogley Hay, Brownhills:
Samuel Lester, Lodger 24, Miner (born Portobello).
1891 Census, @ 15, Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall:
Samuel (34, Commission Agent), Sarah (34), Ethel (5), Gladys (6 mths)
and a servant, Hannah Lloyd (niece, 16) all born Willenhall.
1892 Kelly's directory: Tea & furniture dealer, 15 Lower Lichfield St,
Willenhall.
1901 Census, Bank St, Willenhall: (all b Willenhall)
Samuel Lister (Hd, 44, Furniture Dealer, Employer), Sarah (44), Ethel
(15, Pupil School Teacher), Gladys (10), Howard F. (5)
1915: of The Manor, Willenhall, House Furnisher.
Prob 18/4/1923, Lichfield to
Howard Frank Lister, furniture dealer & Reginald Harris solicitor,
£9459-19-3d.
Will of 8/2/1922 appointed Howard Lister, AJ Parkes & Reginald Harris
(solicitor of Willenhall) as Executors.
Legacies:
Furniture and household effects to Sarah Lister.
Fifty pounds to his assistant Charles Henry Smith.
An annuity of one hundred pounds to Gladys until the death of Sarah
The remainder after expenses and duty to be invested and the income
(including rents etc from properties) to be for his wife, Sarah's use
until her death. After her death, this trust fund to become the
property of his children
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WILLIAM LISTER
AM06/13
The father of Samuel Lister.
A coal miner in Portobello & Willenhall. Little else is known, although
there is an entry in the Trade Directory for a William Lister as a
publican in Willenhall: bearing in mind that his father had a pub in
later life, this might be our William. He was described in Census 1881
as a miner and at Samuel's marriage as a Charter Master - this was the
title for the gang boss of the labour in the mines. The charter master
employed the other miners as a contractor.
See under father's entry for comments about the coal industry in the
area.
IGI/PR show:
Marriage Cert held.
Ch2PR: 14/1/1827 @ St Leonard, Broseley. PR chkd.
Parents: Thomas & Ann (Bradley) Lister
Died2,9: 24/12/1884, Willenhall, aged 59, Miner, Died from Apoplexy, not from violence, Coroner's inquest, 27/12/1884 by Staffordshire coroner, BW? Phillips.
bur with Martha in Little London Baptist Chapel, Willenhall.
Express and Star, Saturday 27 December 1884:
Sudden Death at Willenhall.
A man named William Lister (age unreadable) residing in Willenhall died
suddenly on Friday morning. The deceased went to bed the night previous
apparently in good health. The cause is supposed to be apoplexy.
1848 (Mar. cert): over 21 and a miner living in Portobello,
1856 (Sam L Bth): a miner in Portobello.
1861 Census, Portobello:
William (34, Miner, Broseley), Martha (37, Broseley), Mora (dau, 7,
Portobello), Samuel (s, 4, Portobello), John (s, 1, Portobello), James
Lister (19, servant).
1871 Census, Mill St Willenhall:
William (45, Coal Miner), Martha (48), Mira (17), Samuel (14, Coal Miner), John (11), Jonas Abraham (10), Sarah (8),
1881 (Samuel's marriage.): A Charter Master.
1864 Trade Dir - was this him?
William Lister, Old Malt Shovel P.H., High St Portobello.
1881 Census, 15, Clemson St, Willenhall: Lester
William (58, Coal Miner, Portobello), Martha (58, Broseley), John (21,
Smith, Portobello), Jonas (20, Portobello), Sarah (18, Portobello).
Also at this address (b Willenhall):
Ebeneezer Lloyd (30, lockmaker), Nora (wf, 26, Portobello), Clara (5), Arthur (4), William (3), Daniel (11mths)
Marriage: William Lister/Martha Roper, W'ton XVII 437, 12/48.
Marriage Certificate shows:
Married 12/11/1848 at the Collegiate Church, W'ton. William Lister,
full age, Bachelor, a miner, of Portobello and Martha Roper, full age,
spinster of Portobello. His father Thomas, a miner.
Her father: Timothy. deceased.
Witnesses: T. Wolding & J Biddulph.
MARTHA ROPER
AM06/14
The mother of Samuel Lister.
She is the most likely spouse for William Lister: they were both born
and raised in Broseley. There is some doubt about her siblings, see her
parents entry, which show a gap between their later children and an
earlier group christened in the Anglican church: this may have been due
to them having to "register" the birth under the Protestant church.
Ch2PR: 26/6/1822 @ Birch Meadow Baptist Chapel, Broseley. "#30, Broseley"
PR transcript. (Census61: born 5/1823-4/24, C81 implies 1822/23).
Parents: Timothy & Mary Roper.
Died between 1891 & 1901.
Married: William Lister 12/11/1848 @ the Collegiate Church,
Wolverhampton.
1848 (marriage): over 21 living in Portobello, Willenhall.
1861 Census: age 37 (b. in Broseley) @ Portobello with William.
1881 Census: age 58 as above.
1891 Census: 15 Clemson St, Willenhall.
Martha Lester (68, M-in-law, Willenhall???)
This must be the family, as William & Martha were at this address in 1871.
1901: not there
Issue of William Lister & Martha Roper (b. Portobello):
1/1. Mora Lister, Born 1854 (census).
Variously know as Mora, Mira and Nora on census.
Married Ebeneezer Lloyd (b 1853, Willenhall).
1881 Census, 15, Clemson St, Willenhall: Lester
William (58, Coal Miner, Portobello), et al.
Ebeneezer Lloyd (30, lockmaker), Nora (wf, 26, Portobello), Clara
(5), Arthur (4), William (3), Daniel (11mths)
1891 Census: 15 Clemson St, Willenhall (all b Willenhall).
Ebeneezer Lloyd (38, Rimlockmaker), Nora (wf, 36), Cicely (15),
Arthur (14, Assistant Boot Shop), William (13, Scholar), David (11,
scholar) Martha Lester (68, M-in-law, Willenhall???)
1901 Census: 86, Union St, Willenhall. (all b. willenhall)
Elizabeth Lloyd (Hd, wid, 46, Clothier), Cicely H (25), Arthur J (24,
Boot Salesman), William G. (23, Factor Warehouseman), Daniel V (20,
Clerk at Stone Quarry).
Mora must have died after 1891, Ebeneezer then remarried and died
before 1901. The issue are all listed as Elizabeth's children.
2/1. Cicely Lloyd, abt 1876
2/2. Arthur Lloyd, abt 1877
2/3. William Lloyd, abt 1878
2/4. Daniel Lloyd, abt 1880
1/2. Samuel Lister, Born 8/8/1856. AM05/07
1/3. John Lister, Born 1860. Nil 1901
1891 Census: 86, Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall. All b Willenhall.
John (31, Assurance agent), Martha (wf, 26, Milliner), William (6
scholar), Lily (4), Edith (2), Martha (1).
1901 Census, 2 Froysell?? St, Willenhall:
John (41, Draper), Martha (wf, 35,), William (16, Assistant Draper)
Lilly (14), Edith (12), Martha (11), Doris (3).
A Martha J. Lister witnessed Sarah's will 1930, of Froysell St,
Willenhall. Probably Mrs John Lister.
2/1. William Lister, abt 1885.
2/2. Lilly Lister, abt 1887.
2/3. Edith Lister, abt 1889.
2/4. Martha Lister, abt 1890.
2/5. Doris Lister, abt 1898.
1/4. Jonas Lister, Born 1861.
1891 Census, 107 Wood St, Jonas 30 (Coal Dealer & Grocer), Clara (26)
John (2), Francis Tunnicliffe, Servant (14)
1901 Census, 77 Wood St, Willenhall (all b. Willenhall):
Jonas Lister (40, Insurance Agent), Clara (37), John (12, scholar),
Samuel (8, scholar), William (5, scholar), Norman (1), Myma Kynaston
(boarder, wid, 33), George Kynaston (nephew, 4, America).
2/1. John Lister, born abt 1888-1889.
2/2. Samuel Lister, born abt 1893.
2/3. William Lister, born abt 1896.
2/4. Norman Lister, born abt 1900.
1/5. Sarah Lister, Born 1863.
DAVID PALMER
AM06/15
The father of Sarah Palmer. A lockmaker in Willenhall.
IGI/PR:
Ch2: 2/10/1814 @ St Mary, Enville. (PR chkd).
Parents: John & Mary Palmer.
1840: no Palmers in Tithe, but Joseph Tuner & William Cooper were there.
1843 (marriage): locksmith in Willenhall.
1856 (Sarah Bth): Locksmith @ Church St, Willenhall.
1861 Census, Church St, Willenhall:
David (46, Lockmaker's Jouneyman, Envil), Hannah (40, Wellington),
Harriet (17), Lucy (15), Matilda (scholar 13), David (scholar 11),
Catherine (scholar 9), Eliza (scholar 7), Sarah (scholar 5), Eleanor
(2), Mary Jane (3 mths).
1864 Trade Dir: William Palmer, Rimlockmaker, Union St, Willenhall.
1871 Census, Church St, Willenhall
David (56, Widower, Rimlockmaker, Envil), Catherine (Schoolmistress 19),
Jane (10) & James (7).
1881 (Sarah P Mar.): A Boltmaker, @ Paradise St, W'ton (?).
Neither David nor Hannah Palmer are listed in Staffs or Salop for 1881
Census: were they both dead?
Marriage Certificate: Wolverhampton 17 296, 3/1843.
Married by banns @ the Collegiate Church, Wolverhampton 27/3/1843.
David Palmer, full age, Bachelor, Locksmith, res Willenhall, father: J
Palmer, dead.
Hannah Hughes, full age, Spinster, of Willenhall, father J Hughes,
farmer.
Witnesses: J Bidulph & J Perkins (D & H illiterate).
HANNAH HUGHES
AM06/16
The mother of Sarah Palmer.
The connection of her supposed parents is a bit speculative, but seems
reasonable:
The most likely from IGI and other data is:
Ann Hughes C: 7 May 1820 - PR checked.
Parents: John Hughes & Ann, of "Lea", a labourer.
Wrockwardine, Shropshire, England.
Wrockwardine is the next parish West of Wellington.
a) Ann and Hannah seem to be synonymous.
b) Her father, "J. Hughes", a farmer at her marriage in 1843.
c) John became a farmer of 21 acres by 1842 (tithe apportionments)
d) John from Lea died in Bilston, but buried Wrockwardine.
e) Census61 data shows born 1821, Wellington, Shropshire.
The Non-conformist registers for this date are not available at
Shrewsbury.
Wellington transcript chkd, but probably not too reliable - all PR held
at church (5/98) - original checked, but none found.
Died: after 1863 & before 1871 (David a widower then).
Poss 6/1861 W'ton 6b 312.
1841: not with family in Wrockwardine.
1843, marriage: Resident in Willenhall
1856 (Sarah Bth): @ Church St, Willenhall.
1861 Census: @ Church St with family.
Issue of David Palmer & Hannah Hughes (all b @ Willenhall re Census):
1/1. Harriet Palmer, born 1844.
1/2. Lucy Palmer, born 1846.
1/3. Matilda Palmer, born 1848
1871 Census, Russell St, Willenhall (all b Willenhall, ex William)
William Baker (27, Locksmith, Tamworth), Matilda (23, Milliner),
Florence S (2), Ellener Palmer (s-in-law, 12, servant).
1881 Census, 98 New Hall St, Willenhall (all b Willenhall ex William)
William Baker (37, Assurance agent, Locksmith, Tamworth), Matilda
(33), Florence Sarah (12, Scholar), Frederick Hughie (6, Scholar),
James Thomas Palmer (b-in-law, 18, locksmith).
1891 Census, 49, Bearswood Hill, Harbourne, B'ham:
William Baker (47, Assurance superintendent), Matilda (43), Frederick
R.H. (16, elementary teacher), John Cartwright (visitor, 25,
elementary teacher).
1901 Census, 33 Prescott? Rd, Walsall:
William Baker (57, Assurance superintendent), Matilda (53)
2/1. Florence Sarah Baker, 1869.
2/2. Frederick Hughie Baker, 1875.
1/4. David Palmer, born 1850. No census record 1871.
1/5. Catherine Palmer, born 1852.
1/6. Eliza Palmer, born 1854.
1/7. Sarah Palmer, born 1/10/1856.
1/8. Eleanor Palmer, born 1859.
1/9. Mary Jane Palmer, born 1861.
1881 Census, 42, Walsall Rd, Willenhall - possibly her:
Jane Palmer, (19, Gen Servant, Willenhall), Edward Edwards head.
1/10. James Thomas Palmer, born 1864.
1891 Census, 16, Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall:
James Palmer (27, Brass Padlock Maker, Willenhall), Ann (27, W'hall),
Fred (3 mths, W'hall)
1901 Census, 22 Riley St, Willenhall:
James Palmer (37, Electrical Fitter), Ann (37), Fred (10, Sammi? (5),
Bert (<12mths).
2/1. Fred Palmer, abt 1890.
2/2. Sammi Palmer, abt 1896.
2/3. Bert Palmer, abt 1900.
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THOMAS LISTER
AM07/25
The father of William Lister.
IGI/PR shows:
Ch: 9/10/1803 @ St Leonard, Broseley.
(C61: 5/1805-4/06 C51:5/01-4/02).
Parents: Base son of Elizabeth (Lyster).
Buried: Wood St Cemy, Willenhall, with Ann and dau Mary.
MI Wood St Cemetary, Willenhall:
"In Memory of Thomas Lister who died December 31 1872 aged 71 years.
Also Ann his wife who died March 20 1883. Also daughter Mary."
(transcribed by Lynn (Tonks) Spearing: almost illegible 12/2000 - very
sad and rundown).
DC W'ton 6b 387, age 60 is this right??
Married: Ann Bradley 20/4/1823 @ St Leonard, Broseley, by Banns, both
OTP, witness Elizabeth Kelsy, John Geary (C/warden??) (PR)
Thomas Lister was a miner, born in Broseley, Shropshire, an early
industrial area, and worked in the local mines. Broseley declined in the 1820's with steel making finishing by about 1835, and the mines
reducing. He seems to have moved to the newer pits in the Wolverhampton/
Willenhall area between 1832-35: these pits remained active until the
mid 20thC: pit mounds were still there in the 1950's. His sons followed
him down the pits. In 1861 he was described as a coal & stone miner: a
reference to iron ore mining.
It is probable that Thomas and Ann moved from Broseley before 1841,
first to Wolverhampton and then in the 1850's to Portobello.
The LDS Ancestral File shows possible family ending up in USA, progeny
of John Lister born Willenhall 8/1837. (AF1010A)
1824-32 (births): a collier in Broseley
1834: 2 Thomas Listers listed in Electoral List:
a) freehold house, High St Broseley
b) freehold house & Garden & Malthouse, Broseley.
1841: probably in Wolverhampton (Jacob b W'ton)
Census: No mention of Thomas and Ann in Broseley (a number of
other Listers there).
1848 (William's Mar): a miner (prob in Portobello)
1851 Census, High St Portobello:
Thomas (49, a coal miner, Broseley), Ann (45, Broseley), Thomas (s, 21,
Coalminer, Broseley), Hannah (16), John (Coal Miner, 14), Abraham (12,
Coal Miner), Jacob (10, Scholar) all W'ton ex noted.
1861 Census, Portobello:
Thomas (55, a coal & stone miner, Broseley), Ann (53, Broseley), Thomas
(s, 30, Coalminer, Broseley), Jacob (s, 20, Coalminer, W'ton), Samuel
(g/son, 12, coalminer, Portobello) and Hannah (g/dau, 8, Portobello).
1881 Census Index - nil.
In later years kept the Cock Inn, High St Portobello.
1864 Trade Dir: Thomas Lister, Beer retailer, High St Portobello.
1871 Census, High St, Willenhall, Cock Inn:
Thomas (68, Coal Miner & Publican), Ann (67, Bushbury, Staffs - poss
misunderstanding), Elizabeth (15, g/dau, servant, Portobello), Abraham
(6, g/son, servant, Willenhall).
1881 Census, High St Willenhall, Cock Inn:
Ann (78, Widow), Thomas Passent (52, s-in-law, colliery labourer
Shrewsbury), Eliza Passent (55, dau), Abraham Lister (g/son, 16,
Locksmith, Portobello).
1881 Census, High St Broseley:
John CW Lister (wine merchant, W'ton, 39) + family - prob not ours.
Poss, but too young:
Ch: 14/2/1808 @ St Leonard, Broseley. (Census61: born 5/1805-4/06).
Parents: William & Elizabeth.
Siblings: Sarah (22/9/1810 & 30/6/1810)
ANN BRADLEY
AM07/26
Born: C51: Broseley 5/05-4/06 or C61: 5/07-4/08.
Ch: 31/8/1806, St Leonard Broseley
Parents: John & Ann (Lyster) Bradley.
Married: Thomas Lister 20/4/1823 @ St Leonard, Broseley (PR)
Died: 20/3/1883 @ High St Willenhall aged 78 (wid of Thomas, coalminer)
Erysipalis 5 days. Informant, Eliza Passant, dau (mark of).
1861 Census, Portobello:
Ann (53, Broseley) with family.
Issue (ch @ St Leonard, PR & Census)
1/12. Eliza Lister, born 7/3/1824. Married Thomas Passent (C81),
informant at mother's death.
Census 1871: 25, Leabrook Rd, Wednesbury:
Thomas Passant (41, miner, Salop, Pontesbury), Mary (44, wf
Pontesbury) + Harriot (18), Alfred, Charlotte, Thomas, William, John.
Were these the same Thomas Passant: looks the same.
1/22. Ann Lister, born 10/7/1825.
1/32. William Lister, born 14/1/1827.
1/42. Samuel Lister, born 3/12/1828.
IGI/PR show:
Ch: 3/12/1828 @ St Leonard, Broseley. (Cen51: born 5/1829-4/30).
Married: Harriet ??? (born Stafford 1831).
1851 Census, Booth Sq, Portobello:
Samuel (21, Coalminer, Broseley), Harriet (20, Staffs) Harriet (dau,
2, Willenhall).
Issue (b Willenhall):
2/1. Harriet Lister, born 1849.
1/52. Thomas Lister, born 31/10/1830. Possibly a beer retailer, High St,
Portobello, 1864.
1/62. George Lister, born 16/8/1832.
Research on this Lister line has been given to me by Lynn (Tonks)
Spearing, 12/2000, and transcribed:
"All the Listers and their families still live in and around the
Willenhall area, only one of Isaac's sons left Willenhall around the
1950's to live in Halifax he ran a carpet business I think it was
Jacob. My mother remembers American relatives coming over to visit in
the early 50's two of the cousins were named Irene and Clarice the
same as my mother and her sister.
The family also has "other links" with your Parkes mine. Over the
last 50 years most of the Lister family has worked at Josiah Parkes
Portobello, my uncle John Lister recently retired after nearly 50
years.
I was working there myself in the late 1960's and remember your
grandfather AJ Parkes he was in a wheelchair at that time, I also
remember Mr. Egar, Mr. Fryer and Mr. Maitland, would he have been
your father?
Most of the younger members of the family are still working at the
Portobello works, I have very fond memories of the place I had a good
job there and it was an excellent place to work and I enjoyed my time
there until I married in 1971 and moved to Cyprus for three years as
Allan was in the army at the time. Our son Simon was born out there
in 1973 our daughter Lisa was born three years later back in the UK.
A coal miner of some repute for his strength and endurance. Reputed
to have fathered 35 children. A good write up of his feats was
published in a local paper about 1984. Married Ann (1853-1918) later
in life.
Died 28/4/1905, bur Bentley Cemetary.
IGI/PR show:
Ch: 2/9/1932 @ St Leonard, Broseley. (Cen61: born 5/1832-4/33).
Married : Mary ??? (b. Dudley 1831).
1851 Census, New St, Portobello:
George (19, iron miner, Broseley), Mary (20, Dudley), Thomas (s, 3
mths, Willenhall).
1861 Census, Portobello: (now Lister)
George (28, iron miner, Broseley), Mary (28, Dudley), Mary Ann (d,
9, Willenhall). William (s, 5, W'hall), Isaac (3 mths, W'hall)
Thomas probably dead.
Issue (b Willenhall):
2/1. Thomas (1851-<'61),
2/2. Mary A. (1852),
2/3. William (1856),
2/4. Isaac (1861),
Married Ann Gutteridge (1863-1931).
Issue:
3/1. Mary Lister, b. 1884, married 1905 at St Giles, Willenhall,
Samuel Blunt (b. 1879).
3/2. Samuel Lister, b. 1886, married 1907 at St Giles,
Willenhall, Harriet Wolverson.
3/3. Elizabeth Lister, b. 1888, married John Davies.
4/1. Frederick Davies, married Elsie,
5/1. Valerie Davies.
4/2. Doris Lister, married Joseph,
5/1. Pauline.
3/4. Isaac Lister, b. 1890, married Mary ....
3/5. George Lister, b.1892, married Ethel Trench.
3/6. Frederick Lister (1895-1961),
Married Jane Williamson (1898-1971, always known as Jinny).
4/1. Irene Lister (1920-1980), who married 1st cousin William
Fergusson (see below).
4/2. Frederick Lister (1922-1933).
4/3. Clarice Lister, born 1925 (living 12/2000).
Married Joseph John Henry Tonks, (1926-1976).
5/1. Lynn Tonks, b. 1951, married 1971, Alan Spearing.
The supplier of the descendants of George Lister. Lived
and worked initially in Willenhall: later moved to
Polperro, Cornwall.
6/1. Simon Spearing, b. 1973, Cyprus (father in Army).
6/2. Lisa Spearing, b. 1976, UK.
5/2. Deborah Tonks, b. 1963.
4/4. John Lister, b. 1927, married Mary Rushton.
5/1. Stephen Lister.
5/2. Karen Lister.
5/3. Dawn Lister.
4/3. Doris Lister (1930-1980), married Frank Green.
5/1. Frank Green.
5/2. John Green.
5/3. Alison Green.
5/4. Roger Green.
4/6. June Lister, b.1935, married Alan Gittins (d. early
1990's).
5/1. Lorraine Gittins.
5/2. Anthony Gittins.
5/2. Adrian Gittins.
5/4. Maxine Gittins.
3/7. Jacob Lister, b. 1897, married, 1st, Alice Roberts,
2nd, Kathleen Lawless.
3/8. Alice Lister (1900-1940), married William Fergusson, born
1897, died late 1980's.
4/1. William Fergusson (1920-2000), married Irene Lister
(1920-1980).
5/1. Jennifer Fergusson, b.1950.
3/9. Lillian Lister, b.1903, died mid 1990's at the Blind
Institute, Sedgley, where she had lived for many years, she had
been blinded as a little girl by a doctor putting drops in her
eyes, the doctor later committed suicide.
2/5. Arthur Lister (1885).
1/7. Hannah Lister, born Wolverhampton, 1835.
1/8. John Lister, born Wolverhampton, 1837.
1864-5 Trade Directory, John Lester, Shopkeeper of Portobello.
1871 Census: Albion St, Willenhall.
John Lester (34, Miner Coal, W'ton), Ann (34, Salop), William John
(11, Portobello), George Henry (8, Portobello), Eliza (4,
Willenhall), Hannah M (2, Willenhall), Betty Ann (2mths, Willenhall).
Ancestral File shows as descendants of Thomas & Ann Lester: John
Lester (1JP7-8M)
Born: Aug 1835 Willenhall, Staffs,
Married: Ann Bailey (1JP7-9S) Born: 27 Oct 1836 Nuselsne, Salop.
2/1. Thomas Lester (21P6-D6) Born: [1859]
2/2. Mary Ann Lester (21P6-FC) Born: [1861]
2/3. John William Lester (1JP7-LC)
Born: May 1861 Willenhall, Staffs, Engl
2/4. George Henry Lester (1JP7-MJ)
Born: 26 Sep 1863 Willenhall, Staffs, Engl Married: Nellie Ward
(BBTK-ZX) Born: [1863]
2/5. Abraham Lester (1JP7-NP)
Born: 26 Oct 1865 Willenhall, Staffs.
Married: Susie Hilda Mitchel (BBTL-03) Born: [1865]
2/6. Eliza Lester (1JP7-PV)
Born: 26 Sep 1866 Willenhall, Staffs,
Married: Claude Hamilton (BBTL-18) Born: [1866]
2/7. Myra Hannah Lester (1JP7-Q2)
Born: 6 Sep 1869 Willenhall, Staffs, Engl Married: Alma Hobson
(BBTL-2F) Born: [1869]
2/8. Betsy Ann Lester (1JP7-54)
Born: 2 Feb 1871 Albion St, Willenhall, Stffrd,
Married: Jesse Hobson (1JP7-4X)
Born: 8 Aug 1850 Hillhouse, Huddersfield, Yrks, Engl
3/1. Jesse Ver Hobson (52QW-FJ)
Born: 4 Mar 1889 Oxford, Franklin, ID Married: Annie
Sophronia Hadley (62PQ-KG) Born: 19 Sep 1891 Brigham City, B-
Elder, UT
3/2. Amelia Ann Hobson (52QW-GP)
Born: 24 Dec 1891 Oxford, Franklin, ID Married: Thomas Henry
Bone (25CB-HH)
Born: 5 Jan 1890 Kaysville, Davis, UT
3/3. Herbert Eugene Hobson (5B66-SF)
Born: 31 Jul 1895 Oxford, Franklin, ID Married: Hazel Lillian
Mcneal (D2VF-62) Born: [1895]
3/4. Alice Gertrude Hobson (52QW-55) Born: LIVING
Married: Robert Leon Paul (25TN-LT) Born: LIVING
4/1. Marjorie Lucille Paul (52QW-B1) Born: LIVING
Married: Raymond Roy Payne (4S4C-CL) Born: LIVING
4/2. Roberta Lorraine Paul (52QW-C6) Born: LIVING
Married: Lyman Weight Rothwell (5HG9-88)
Born: LIVING sp-LIVING (CZ98-NT) Born: LIVING
4/3. Betsy Jean Paul (52QW-3S) Born: LIVING
4/4. Robert Hobson Paul (52QW-DC) Born: LIVING
sp-LIVING (CZ98-P1) Born: LIVING
3/5. John Reynol Hobson (52QW-J2)
Born: 21 Oct 1900 Oxford, Franklin, ID
sp-Rose Ella Johnson (21P6-3M) Born: LIVING
4/1. Melba A. Hobson (6DGW-WT)
Born: 6 Jan 1923 Oxford, Bannock, ID
4/2. Derril Robert Hobson (6DGW-X1) Born: LIVING
sp-LIVING (DKMM-VM) Born: LIVING
4/3. John Harvey Hobson (6DGW-Z6)
Born: 28 Sep 1926 Oxford, Bannock, ID sp-LIVING (DKMM-WS)
Born: LIVING
4/4. Rose Ella Lorraine Hobson (6DGX-0B)
Born: LIVING
4/5. Alton J. Hobson (6DGX-1H) Born: LIVING sp-LIVING
(DKMM-Z5) Born: LIVING
sp-Betty Joyleen Salvesen (RWQB-J2) Born: LIVING
4/6. Leah Hobson (6DGW-HR) Born: LIVING
sp-De Wayne Madsen (6DGW-JX) Born: LIVING
4/7. Phil Hobson (6DGX-2N) Born: LIVING
sp-LIVING (DKMN-09) Born: LIVING
3/6. Althea Betsey Hobson (52QW-K7) Born: LIVING
sp-LIVING (CZ98-SJ) Born: LIVING
3/7. Edith Eliza Hobson (1S2B-VQ)
Born: 18 Aug 1908 Swan Lake, Bannock, ID
Married: Joseph Gibson Hadley (1S2B-TK)
Born: 12 Jun 1907 Ogden, Weber, UT
4/1. Kenneth Jay Hadley (5B66-FJ) Born: LIVING
sp-LIVING (D2VF-01) Born: LIVING
4/2. Colleen Hadley (5B66-55) Born: LIVING
Married: Robert Lee Worley (5B66-6B) Born: LIVING
4/3. Baby Hadley (5B66-GP)
Born: 10 Jun 1934 Ogden, Weber, UT
4/4. Baby Hadley (5B66-HV)
Born: 26 Oct 1936 Ogden, Weber, UT
4/5. Sharen Hadley (5B66-J2)
Born: 3 Feb 1938 Ogden, Weber, UT
4/6. Baby Hadley (5B66-LD)
Born: 18 Jun 1946 Ogden, Weber, UT
1/9. Abraham Lister, born Wolverhampton, 1839.
1/10. Jacob Lister, born Wolverhampton, 1841.
1864-5 Trade Directory, Jacob Lester Grocer of Portobello.
MI of Wood St Cemetary, Willenhall:
"Jacob Lester of Portobello, who died July 15 1874. Age 33 years.
Also Mary Elizabeth daughter of the above Jacob and Elizabeth Lester
Who departed this life May 17 1879 aged 11 years and 6 months."
Issue of Jacob & Elizabeth Lester:
2/1. Mary Elizabeth Lester, born abt Dec 1867, died 17/5/1879.
TIMOTHY ROPER
AM07/27
The father of Martha Roper. His and his wife's origins are very
uncertain: some alternatives are listed below.
IGI/PR show (IGI ROPR2508):
a) Ch: 19/1/1783 @ St Leonard, Broseley. (PR)
Best Bet from age of 1st child.
Parents: Timothy & Elis. (Tim = Elizabeth Kidson 3/10/1775 Barrow)
b) Ch: 3/10/1790 @ St Leonard, Broseley.
Parents: Timothy & Sarah.
Siblings: Charles (2/7/1780), Elizabeth (1/6/1777)??
No Ropers voting 1834.
Married: Mary Morris, 14/12/1807 @ St Leonard, Broseley
(transcript chkd, nothing more shown).
Died: before 11/1848 (Martha's marriage).
A Sarah Roper aged 12 was a servant to Esther Lister, aged 60, in
Broseley House Green in 1841.
MARY MORRIS
AM07/28
IGI:
(a): Ch: 2/3/1788, Broseley (PR) (more likely due mother's name)
Parents: Samuel & Martha (Evans) Morris
who married Broseley, 28/9/1785 (PR)
Samuel Morris:
(a) ch 15/2/1767, Broseley, of Samuel & Jane
Samuel m. Jane Davies 22/7/1768, Worthen.
(b) ch 27/3/1763, Broseley, of Richard & Elis.
(c): IGI has Samuel Morris, spouse Martha Evans Broseley, abt
1760. Martha Evans: ch 25/8/1765, Broseley of Thos & Martha
one possibility!
Her siblings: John (20/8/1786),
Broseley Tithe:
Samuel Morris, sen renting house & garden (38d) from Thomas Wilde.
(b): Ch: 20/8/1786, Broseley, at Linley, (PR)
Parents: Henry & Hannah Morris.
Henry M. married Hannah Jones 9/2/1778, Tasley or Fasley.
IGI has several Henry's.
Her siblings: John (18/1/1778 @ Linley), Sarah (b abt 1778, ch
21/7/1782), Elizabeth (ch 21/4/1782 @ Linley)
Issue of Timothy Roper & Mary Morris:
It is probable that these are all the same family, who became Baptists
in mid life. He is described as a collier in all but John's record.
1/1. William Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley, 23/4/1809. PR
1/2. Ann Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley, 1/10/1815 (PR).
1/3. Sarah Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley, 10/1/1819 (PR).
A possible line from Andrew Hill (benny hill100 at hotmail.com)
M. Robert Gething (collier) 3/4/1836
2/1. Mary Ann Gething, ch 31/6/1837 St L Broseley.
M. Alfred Edwards, s of William Edwards, 22/2/1857, Dudley
3/1. Eliza Edwards, M. Luke Garbett 12/7/1884, Dudley.
4/1. Beatrice Alice Garbett, 11/9/1884, Dudley.
Gt Grand son Andrew Hill.
1/4. Martha Roper, ch @ Birch Meadow Baptist Chapel (nc),
Broseley 26/6/1822. (PR)
1/5. John Roper ch @ Birch Meadow Baptist Chapel (nc),
Broseley. 29/7/1825, (PR) #30, Hockley, Broseley.
1/6. Timothy Roper ch @ Birch Meadow Baptist Chapel (nc),
Broseley 22/8/1828. (PR) #30, Broseley.
Possible that Sarah married Robert Gething 3/4/1836 at Broseley 602.
1841 Census Broseley:
Robert (25 coalminer) Sarah (25), Mary Ann (11), Harriet (2)
Ref Andrew Hill of Dudley, 11/2002.
JOHN PALMER
AM07/29
The father of David Palmer:
Son David's marriage cert (1843) only shows "J. Palmer, dead" as his
father, but David's birth to John & Mary fit Census information &
therefore it is assumed that John is the correct forename.
His origins are uncertain, some possibilities follow:
Issue of John Palmer & Mary ch St Mary, Enville:
1/12. James Palmer, 6/10/1811 PR. (Labourer of 4 Ashes)
1/22. David Palmer, 2/10/1814 PR. (Labourer of 4 Ashes)
1/3. Ann Palmer, 16/11/1817 PR. Nil further to 12/1824
John Palmer Ch:
a) 3/10/1781 Kinver
Parents: Richard & Mary (PR chkd)
Issue of Richard & Mary Palmer (IGI, ch Kinver):
1/1. Mary Palmer C: 29 Dec 1776
1/2. Thomas Palmer C: 25 Dec 1778
1/3. John Paumer C: 3 Oct 1781
1/4. James Palmore C: 25 Nov 1787
1/5. Ann Palmer C: 15 May 1791
IGI has several alternatives, none convincing.
Several possible Richards.
b) Ch: 8/1/1797 Kinver - too young
Parents: John & Mary. (PR chkd)
Died: before 1843 (ref David's marriage).
1811-14 (children's bth): a labourer of Four Ashes (PR).
1841 Census, Kinver:
John Palmer (65, Farmer, no), Hannah (60, yes), John (25, yes) +2
John & Mary Palmer (IGI):
John Palmer Married 5 Apr 1795 Mary Stringer
@ Saint Mary, Enville, Stafford,
Issue @ Kinver: John Palmer 8/1/1797 (see above).
Other Palmers @ Kinver:
1841 Census, Kinver:
John Palmer (60, Milkman, yes), Susannah (60, yes), Richard (20, Roller,
yes).
Neither of the above seem likely: our John was probably dead by the time of the census.
The second is most probably John Palmer & Susannah Worrall.
John & Susanna Palmer (IGI):
John Palmer Married 15 Apr 1800 Susanna Whorrall @ Kinver, Stafford.
Issue of John Palmer & Susannah:
Ch @ Kinver, Staffs:
1/1. Richard Palmer C: 16 Jan 1803
Married: Mary Quarry, 1/7/1821, Kingswinford, Staffs.
Issue of Richard Palmer & Mary,
Ch @ Kinver, Staffs:
2/1. William Palmer C: 21 Oct 1821
2/2. John Palmer C: 23 Nov 1823
2/3. James Palmer C: 20 Mar 1826
2/4. Richard Palmer C: 17 Aug 1828
1/2. Mary Palmer C: 17 Mar 1805
1/3. William Palmer C: 22 Nov 1807
1/4. Harriott Palmer C: 22 Jul 1810
1/5. Ann Palmer C: 22 Jul 1810
1/6. John Palmer C: 27 Sep 1812
1/7. Caroline Palmer C: 6 Feb 1818 Parents: John Palmer & Susan
1/8. Elizabeth Palmer C: 7 Jan 1821
Also:
John Palmer Married 13 Apr 1818 Ann Haverley
Sedgley, Stafford, England
John Palmer Married 27 Aug 1804 Ann Steel
Sedgley, Stafford, England
Henry Palmer C: 27 Dec 1813 Parents: John Palmer & Susanna
Bishops Castle, Shropshire,
Thomas Palmer C: 26 Mar 1815
Richard Palmers:
Richard Palmer C: 4 Apr 1774
Parents; William Palmer & Mary
Kinver, Stafford, England
1851 Census, Claverley:
Richard Palmer (77, farmer of 137 acres & 1 lab, Stourport), Catherine (72, Highley), Catherine (37, daughter, Kinver), Catherine (g-dau, 14, Kinver), William (brother, 80, annuitant, Stourbridge).
Richard Palmer C: 8 Sep 1734
Parents: Richard Palmer & Kesiah
Kingsley, Stafford, England
Richard Palmer C: 3 Jun 1771
Parents: William Palmer & Ann
Wolverhampton, Stafford,
Richard Palmer C: 29 Nov 1818
Parents: Richard Palmer & Catherine
Kinver, Stafford, England
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ELIZABETH LYSTER
AM8/50
The mother (unmarried) of Thomas Lister
IGI Best Bet: (ref father's name & sisters Eleanor & Sarah)
(several other alternative routes exist)
Ch 21/11/1784, St Leonard, Broseley. PR (nil deaths to 12/86)
Parents: Thomas & Ann (Farmer) Lyster.
Issue ch @ Broseley:
1/1. Sarah Lister, ch @ St Leonard 17/12/1802. PR
1/2. Thomas Lister, ch @ St Leonard 9/10/1803. PR AM07/25
1/3. Sarah Lister, ch @ St Leonard 25/12/06. PR
1/4. Eleanor Lister, ch @ St Leonard 29/12/06.
JOHN BRADLEY
AM08/51
IGI:
Ch: 25/10/1778, St Leonard, Broseley (best bet @ Broseley) (PR)
Parents: Francis & Mary.
Married: Ann Lyster 31/1/1796, Dawley Magna.
ANN LYSTER
AM08/52
Several Ann & Hannah Lysters poss on IGI.
Best Bet: Ann Lyster
Ch 5/1/1777, Much Wenlock (PR chkd.)
Parents: William & Elizabeth (Bradley).
Married: John Bradley 31/12/1796, Dawley Magna.
Witness Robert & Jane Evans.
Issue of John Bradley & Ann Lyster, (IGI, St Leonard):
1/1. Francis Bradley, 5/11/1797.
1/2. Eliz Bradley, 7/7/1799.
1/3. Geo Bradley, 6/9/1801.
1/4. Jno Bradley, 22/1/04.
1/5. Eliz Bradley, 4/4/04.
1/6. Frans Bradley, 4/4/04.
1/7. Ann Bradley, 31/8/1806. AM07/26
TIMOTHY ROPER
AM08/53
IGI:
Ch: 3/2/1740, Broseley (only suitable one on IGI)
Parents: Tim & Ann
Buried: 10/7/1806, Broseley ???
Married 1: Sarah Lee, 11/5/1761, St Leonard, Broseley.
Sarah ch 7/9/1740 ex Charles & Elis. or 29/12/42 ex Ed & Mary
Issue of Timothy Roper & Sarah Lee:
1/1. John Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 4/7/1762.
1/2. Mary Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 1/1/64.
1/3. Susanna Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 31/8/66.
Married 2: Elizabeth Kidson, 3/10/1775, Barrow.
Issue of Timothy Roper & Elizabeth Kidson:
1/4. Elizabeth Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 8/9/1776. (PR)
Married Robert Pinner 5/8/1800, Broseley???
1/5. Anne Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 28/6/78. (PR)
1/6. Sarah Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 20/8/80. (PR)
1/7. Timothy Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 19/1/1783. AM07/27
1/8. William Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 24/9/1786. (PR only)
1/8. William Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 25/10/89.
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THOMAS LYSTER
AM9/99
IGI:
Ch: St Leonard, Broseley, 16/1/1763 - too young? (PR)
Parents: Thomas & Mary (Bradley) Lyster
Married: Anne Farmer, St Leonard, Broseley, 4/5/1779. (PR)
A Thomas Lister owned, rented or let a number of properties in Broseley
Tithe 1838
Edward and John Lister were also property owners 1838.
ANN FARMER
AM09/100
IGI:
Many births shown, none obviously correct.
Married: Thomas Lyster, St Leonard, Broseley, 4/5/1779.
Issue of Thomas Lyster & Ann Farmer :
1/1. Eleanor Lister, ch @ St Leonard 14/5/1780.
1/2. Sarah Lister, ch @ St Leonard 26/5/82.
1/3. Elisabeth Lister, ch @ St Leonard 21/11/84 (PR). AM08/50
1/4. Richard Lister, ch @ St Leonard 3/6/87.
1/5. Abraham Lister, ch @ St Leonard 25/12/1790.
FRANCIS BRADLEY
AM09/101
The father of John Bradley
IGI, most likely sequence:
Ch: 14/7/1751, St Leonard, Broseley. PR
Parents: John & Mary (Bevan).
Married: Mary (IGI has no suitable marriages).
Issue (ch @ St Leonard, Broseley):
1/1. George Bradley, 3/8/1777. (PR)
A George Bradley, House & Garden Brosley Tithe 1838 (387d)
1/2. John Bradley, 25/10/78. (PR)
1/3. Mary Bradley, 26/3/80. (PR)
1/4. Anne Bradley, 20/5/82. (PR)
1/5. Francis Bradley, 24/10/84. (PR)
A Francis Bradley bur Broseley 10/2/1786.
1/6. William Bradley, 12/9/86. (PR)
1/7. Elisabeth Bradley, 10/10/90. (PR)
1/8. Anne Bradley, 26/8/92. (PR)
1/9. Sarah Bradley, 13/4/94. (PR)
1/10. Francis Bradley, 3/1/96. (PR - of Fras. & Mary)
A Francis Bradley, House & Garden Brosley Tithe 1838 (938b)
1/11. Jane Bradley, 17/6/98. PR
1/12. Mary Bradley, 29/11/1801. PR
1/13. Maria Bradley, 21/3/1804. PR
Seems a long child bearing period: maybe two wives &/or couples: short
break between William & Elisabeth.
WILLIAM LYSTER
AM09/103
Ch: 3/1/1750, Barrow, Shropshire
(IGI & PR - at marriage "of Barrow")
Parents: Samuel & Elizabeth (Scale) Lyster
Married: (1) Elizabeth Bradley 16/8/1775, Willey. "William Lister of
Barrow, wheelwright, & Elizabeth Bradley, spinster OTP, by licence, wit
Juli Forrester & Elizabeth Forrester"
(2) Ann Davis, Much Wenlock. 6/2/1780. "William Lister,
widower, OTP & Anne Davies, Spinster OTP" - both signed themselves.
Issue: 8 children by 2nd marriage.
ELIZABETH BRADLEY
AM09/104
IGI Best bet:
Ch: 14/7/1750, Benthall PR transcript
Parents: Francis & Elizabeth (Darby).
Buried: not at Much Wenlock or Barrow.
Married: William Lyster, 16/8/1775, Willey. (as 1st wife).
Issue of William Lyster & Elizabeth Bradley:
1/1. Ann Lyster, ch Much Wenlock, 5/1/1777. AM08/52
Ch Much Wenlock (IGI)
Issue of William Lyster & Anne Davies, Much Wenlock.
1/2. Sarah Lyster C: 22 Nov 1780
1/3. Elizabeth Hannah Lister C: 13 Mar 1783
1/4. Jane Lister C: 6 Nov 1785
1/5. Mary Jane Lyster C: 1 Jun 1788
1/6. Frances Lyster C: 2 Jul 1790
1/7. Catharine Lyster C: 27 Nov 1791
1/8. Mary Lister C: 11 Apr 1795
1/9. William Leister C: 20 Sep 1796
TIMOTHY ROPER
AM09/105
Ch (IGI ROPR2508):
1: 15/4/1705 ex Edward & Sarah
2: 2/2/1699 ex Timothy & Sarah
Married: Ann
Issue:
1/1. Margt Roper, (4/7/1725),
1/2. Anne Roper, (19/4/28),
1/3. Jane Roper, (29/7/30),
1/4. Sarah Roper, (10/12/32),
1/5. William Roper, (2/2/35),
1/6. Elizabeth Roper, (31/8/1737)
1/7. Mary Roper, (31/8/37),
1/8. Timothy Roper, (3/2/40), AM08/53
1/9. Thomas Roper, (26/6/43).
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THOMAS LISTER:
AM10/197
Ch: St Leonard, Broseley, 5/10/1735 PR
Parents: John & Elenour (only child, no marriage, several Johns)
Married: Mary Bradley 3/8/1760, St Leonard, Broseley.
Issue :
1/1. Mary Lister, ch St Leonard 26/4/1761.
A Mary Lister, dau of Thomas Lyster bur 31/7/1779.
1/2. Thomas Lister, ch St Leonard 16/1/1763. PR AM09/99
1/3. Anne Lister, ch St Leonard 27/12/1764.
JOHN BRADLEY
AM10/201
Ch: 1/3/1710, Broseley (Bradley in transcript) PR
Parents: Morris & Elizabeth (Rogers) Bradley
Married: Mary Bevan, 20/12/1734, Broseley. PR
MARY BEVAN
AM10/202
Ch: 28/1/1712, St Mary Magdalene, Bridgnorth.
Parents: Thomas & Elizabeth (Clea).
Or 13/10/1717, Shrawardine, ex William & Ann. (prob too young)
Married: John Bradley, 20/12/1734, Broseley.
Issue of John Bradley & Mary Bevan (ch @ Broseley - PR chkd):
1/1. Maurice Bradley, ch Broseley, 7/9/1735.
1/2. Mary Bradley, ch Broseley, 11/12/37.
1/3. John Bradley, ch Broseley, 2/5/42, bur 4/5/1742
1/4. John Bradley, ch Broseley, 10/4/43. bur 8/12/1751
1/5. Ann Bradley, ch Broseley, 1/9/45.
1/6. George Bradley, ch Broseley, 15/1/49. bur 8/12/1751
1/7. Francis Bradley, ch Broseley, 14/7/51. AM09/101
SAMUEL LYSTER
AM10/205
IGI:
Samuell Lister, Broseley, 18/1/1694 of Sam & Rosamond
Samuell Lister, Broseley, 24/10/1698 of Sam & Rosamond
Sam Listor, Broseley, 15/4/1714, of Tho & Jane
Sam Listor, Broseley, 25/2/1721, of Tho & Mary.
Of Barrow.
Married: 7/9/1741, Barrow, by Banns:
"Elizabeth, dau of John Scale, jnr, of Shurlett Miner, and his wife
Ann."
ELIZABETH SCALE
AM10/206
Ch: 25/6/1715, Barrow (deaths chkd to 1738)
Parents: John Scale, jnr & wife Ann
Her Siblings: Anne (30/3/1714), Mary (17/11/17), Francis (6/12/19)
His Siblings: Richard (23/5/1680), Francis (30/8/83), Thomas (1/11/86),
William (17/1/88), Ann (14/5/90), William (1/9/95).
Issue of Samuel & Elizabeth (Scale) Lister:
1/1. William Lyster, ch 3/1/1749, Barrow. AM09/103
1/2. Elisabeth Lyster, ch 5/11/1751 Barrow.
FRANCIS BRADLEY
AM10/207
The father of Elizabeth Bradley
Ch2PR: 22/5/1716, Benthall (PR)
Parents: Francis & Jane
Buried2: Francis Bradley, Collier, Benthall, 29/11/1765 - probably him.
Married2: Elizabeth Derby 26/8/1740, Benthall (PR)
ELIZABETH DARBY
AM10/208
Ch2PR: 30/3/1718, Broseley (IGI shows spouse of Francis B b abt 1718)
PR Eliza dau of Will. Darby & Jane.
Parents: William & Jane. (note mother's name & 3 dau called Jane).
William ch 5/12/97 ex Thomas & Sarah Alveley, Shrops.
Siblings: Thomas (22/12/1700), Jane (18/4/1703), William (3/3/06), Mary
(13/5/08), Anne (18/2/11), Mary (18/4/1714).
Issue of Francis Bradley & Elizabeth Darby (IGI&PR, Benthall):
1/1. 2PRWillm Bradley, ch Benthall 28/12/1740.
1/2. 2PRJane Bradley, ch Benthall 30/1/43.
1/3. 2PRFrancis Bradley, ch Benthall 2/2/45.
M. 19/5/1766, St L. Mary Pickering. (IGI several poss Mary's)
Issue, (IGI):
2/1. Fanny (St L 9/11/1766),
2/2. Francis (Bentall 31/1/1768),
2/3. Mary (Bentall 26/1/70),
2/4. Geo. (Bent. 9/10/74),
2/5. Arthur (Bent. 24/11/76).
1/4. 2Joyce Bradley, dau of Francis & Elizabeth bur Benthall 29/2/1744.
No birth found.
1/5. 2PRMary Bradley, ch Benthall 29/11/47.
1/6. 2PRElizabeth Bradley, ch Benthall 14/7/50. AM09/104
1/7. 2PRJane Bradley, ch Benthall 28/1/53 - no burial found.
1/8. 2PRJane Bradley, ch Benthall 31/8/55.
1/9. 2PRArthur Bradley, ch Benthall 9/7/58.
1/10. 2PRJane Bradley, ch Benthall 14/7/61.
Other Bradleys at Benthall were:
George & Jane (s John, 31/5/1752)
George & Eleanor (Edward 10/1/1761)
Sarah Bradley, widow, bur 7/5/1748.
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JOHN LISTER
AM11/393
Several John's, none very convincing.
1. ch 14/11/1686, ex Samuel & Rosamund, Broseley. PR
2. ch 29/5/1692, ex John & Catherine, Broseley. PR
1/1. THOMAS LISTER: 5/10/1735
AM12/785:
Other Listers at Brosely:
Thomas Lister
ch 29/5/1635, St Leonards, Bridgnorth (Broseley?).
Parents: Charles & Elizabeth
Siblings: John (10/5/1643)
Samuel Lister
ch 16/11/1656, Broseley (PR)
Parents: Thomas & Isabel
Siblings: Eliz. (12/12/1652 PR), Edward (15/10/1654 PR), Rosamund
(6/2/1659 PR), Richard (30/9/1660 PR), Anne (26/11/1663 PR), Mary
(18/11/66 PR)
MORRIS BRADLEY
AM11/401
IGI Best Bet: (AF 1LJC-VW)
Ch: 31/8/1679, Broseley (Maurice on bth) PR.
Parents: Thomas & Alice Bradley.
Married: Elizabeth Rogers, 15/5/1709. (many Elizabeth Rogers') PR.
Issue:
1/1. John Bradley, (1/3/1710),
1/2. Mary Bradley, (20/1/1712).
THOMAS BEVAN
AM11/403
IGI Best Bet:
Ch: 10/7/1684, Cleobury Mortimer
Parents: Thomas & Margt. Beavon
Married: Elizabeth Clea 14/2/1711,
(Several Elizabeth Clea's at Bitterley, 1668, 1683, 1685).
Issue (ch St Mary Magadlene, Bridgnorth):
1/1. Mary Bevan, 28/1/1712. AM10/202
1/2. Thomas Bevan. 17/1/1714.
Possible issue on IGI:
2/1. Anne Bevan, 31/10/1731.
2/2. John Bevan, 24/2/1734.
1/3. Samuel Bevan, 10/2/1717.
1/4. David Bevan, 25/8/1720.
JOHN SCALE, jnr
AM11/411
Ch: 10/11/1677, Barrow. IGI
Parents: John & Ann Scale, (snr?)
Issue of John Scale, jnr & Anne:
1/1. Anne Scale, ch 30/3/1714, Barrow.
1/2. Elizabeth Scale, ch 25/6/1715, Barrow, deaths chkd to 1738 AM10/206
1/3. Mary Scale, ch 17/11/1717, Barrow.
1/4. Francis Scale, ch 6/12/1719, Barrow.
John Scale married Elisabeth Whitehouse, Barrow, 10/9/1729
FRANCIS BRADLEY
AM11/413
IGI:
ch: 19/9/1680, Bentall - best bet.
Parent: Mary Bradley
Married: Jane
Issue IGI/PR:
1/1. 2PRMargery Bradley, ch Bentall, 21/4/1706.
1/2. 2PRMary Bradley, ch Bentall, 30/5/1708.
1/3. 2PRElizabeth Bradley, ch Bentall, 14/2/1711
1/4. 2PRJane Bradley, ch Bentall, 30/8/1713.
1/5. 2PRFrancis Bradley, ch Bentall, 22/5/1716. AM10/207
1/6. 2PRLarans Bradley, ch Bentall, 23/2/1718.
Probably married Sarah, issue, inter alia:
2/1. 2William Bradley, 14/4/1751
2/2. 2Mary Bradley, 29/2/1756.
1/7. 2PRMartha Bradley, ch Bentall, 24/4/20.
1/8. 2PRJoyce Bradley, ch Bentall, 28/4/23.
1/9. 2PRJoyce Bradley, ch Bentall, 13/5/26.
Sarah Bradley, ch Bentall, 3/9/25, dau of Edward & Sarah.
THOMAS BRADLEY
AM12/801
IGI Best Bet:
Possible Ch: 11/3/1638, Broseley. (AF: 1632, Broseley)
Parents: Nathaniel & Margaret.
Married: Alice (nil on IGI, AF b abt 1636, Broseley)
Issue of Thomas & Alice Bradley:
1/1. John Bradley, ch Broseley, 21/2/1657.
Ref Ancestral File, submitted by AF83-046732, M/F 1394207
Loyn Blacker, 905 East St, Rupert, ID, USA 83350.
Married: Sarah Cullis (1LJB-Q3)
dau of Thomas [b. 28/6/1635, Broseley, s of Hugh & Eleanor] &
Katherine Cullis
Chr.: 23 Dec 1660 Broseley, Shrops., England
Issue:
2/1. Anne Bradley (1LJC-7M)
Chr.: 17 Feb 1683/4 Benthall, Shrops, Eng
2/2. William Bradley (1LJB-MK)
Chr.: 8 Feb 1686/7 Benthall, Shrops., England
Married: Eleanor Rowley (1LJB-NQ)
Dau of William & Sarah [Taylor dau of Henry & Isabell] Rowley
Chr.: 21 Feb 1681/2 Broseley, Shrops., England
3/1. William Bradley (1LJC-3X)
Chr.: 10 Oct 1710 Benthall, Shrops, Eng
3/2. Joyce Bradley (1LJC-44)
Chr.: 25 Oct 1713 Benthall, Shrops, Eng
3/3. John Bradley (1LJB-K7)
Chr.: 26 Feb 1715/6 Benthall, Shrops., England
Married: Ann Hiatt (1LJB-LD)
Born: Abt 1717 Of St. John, Bedwardine, Worcs., England
4/1. Mary Bradley (1LJC-1L)
Chr.: 29 Jun 1739 Tewkesbury, Gloucs, Eng
4/2. Elizabeth Bradley (1LJ5-V3)
Chr.: 27 Sep 1741 Tewkesbury, Gloucs., England
Married: Charles Wilkes (1LJ5-TW)
Born: Abt 1740 Of Tewkesbury, Gloucs., England
4/3. Ann Bradley (1LJC-2R)
Chr.: 9 Mar 1744/5 Tewkesbury, Gloucs, Eng
3/4. Jane Bradley (1LJC-59)
Born: Abt 1717 Benthall, Shrops, Eng
3/5. Elizabeth Bradley (1LJC-6G)
Chr.: 19 Jan 1723 Benthall, Shrops, Eng
2/3. John Bradley (1LJC-8S)
Chr.: 17 Jan 1689/90 Benthall, Shrops, Eng
2/4. Edward Bradley (1LJC-90)
Chr.: 10 Aug 1692 Benthall, Shrops, Eng
2/5. Esther Bradley (1LJC-B5)
Chr.: 1 Dec 1695 Benthall, Shrops, Eng
2/6. Sarah Bradley (1LJC-CB)
Chr.: 20 Oct 1700 Benthall, Shrops, Eng
1/2. Mary Bradley, ch Broseley, 24/4/59.
1/3. Laurence Bradley, ch Broseley, 19/4/62.
Laurence & Elizabeth Bradeley had son Francis 20/6/1727, Broseley.
1/4. Thomas Bradley, ch Broseley, 29/10/64.
1/5. William Bradley, ch Broseley, 29/3/71.
1/6. Adam Bradley, ch Broseley, 21/9/1674.
1/7. Richard Bradley, ch Broseley, 28/12/1677,
1/8. Maurice Bradley, ch Broseley, 31/8/1679. AM11/401
Note gap 1664-71.
JOHN SCALE, snr.
AM12/821
Married: Anne.
Buried: Anne, wife of John Scale, snr, pipemaker, 29/11/1723.
Issue of John & Anne Scale:
1/1. John Scale, ch Barrow, 10/11/1677
1/2. Richard Scale, ch Barrow, 23/5/1680.
1/3. Francis Scale, ch Barrow, 30/8/1683.
1/4. Thomas Scale, ch Barrow, 1/11/1686.
1/5. William Scale, ch Barrow, 17/1/1688.
1/6. Ann Scale, ch Barrow, 14/5/1690.
1/7. William Scale, ch Barrow, 1/9/1695.
Misc PR:
Deaths:
Richard Scale & Francis Mason of Shurlett Miners, 5/6/1723.
Thomas Scale, infant, 11/3/1710.
Marriages:
Thomas Watkins of Wentnor, labourer, & Elizabeth Scale of Shurlett,
13/2/1719, by Banns
NATHANIEL BRADLEY
AM13/1601
B: Abt 1610 of Broseley, Shropshire, England (IGI).
Issue (IGI BRAD2508):
1/1. Elizabeth Bradley C: 24 Jun 1632 Broseley, Shropshire, England
1/2. Elenor Bradley C: 21 Mar 1635 Broseley, Shropshire, England
1/3. Thoms. Bradley C: 11 Mar 1638 Broseley, Shropshire, England
1/4. Johis. Bradeley C: 4 Apr 1641 Broseley, Shropshire, England
1/5. Richard Bradley C: 5 Mar 1644 Broseley, Shropshire, England
1/6. Jane Bradley C: 29 Aug 1647 Broseley, Shropshire, England
HUGHES FAMILY
JOHN HUGHES
AM07/31
Born: abt 1762-3.
From Ancestry.com Shropshire records:
John, s of John of the Lea and Mary, bap 20/4/1767.
The fact that he was "of the Lea" makes this the most likely candidate, and the age is similar to that from 1841 Census, although does not agree with the 1851 and d/c and burial figures.
IGI Alternative: Jn HUGHES C: 1 Jan 1762
Father: Wm HUGHES Wellington, Shropshire, Mother: Judith
Buried Wrockwardine: 8/4/1851 aged 88.
("Died Bilston, but his usual abode the ... his? wife? was Lea in this
p.")
Death Cert: died 4/4/1851 at New Village, Bilston, aged 89, formerly farmer, informant Thomas Lloyd of New Village, Bilston.
Thomas Lloyd was presumably the husband of his daughter, Martha.
Lodging with Thomas & Martha in 1851 were William Adams (spelling?)
aged 57 and Elizabeth Adams, a widow of 23. No indication if they were
related.
The father of Hannah Hughes, he was a farmer at The Lea, Wrockwardine,
near Wellington, Shropshire. He rented just over 21 acres (about 8 ha)
from the Duke of Cleveland in Charlton township, astride the Watling
Street (A5).
A John Hughes also owned 2 cottages in Wrockwardine which were rented to
John Hall: it is assumed that this was our John Hughes. He died in
Bilston, where he must have been visiting or living with family. By
1851, there appeared to be only one Hughes family in Wellington/
Wrockwardine (Edward, b. 1802).
Married at Wrockwardine: John Hughes bachelor OTP married Anne Davies of
Holy Cross, Shrewsbury, spinster, 22/1/1806, by lic. (PR & IGI)
ANN DAVIES
A.com: Ann, dau of Thomas & Marg't b 11/7/1777, ch 15/8. St Chad.
On the IGI the following alternatives are shown, but neither agree with
age at burial.
Died: Ann Hughes of Lea bur Wrockwardine 23/1/1842 aged 67.
D/C: died 17/1/1842 at The Lea, age 68, wife of John Hughes, labourer, abscess of liver, informant Martha Hughes (her mark) of the Lea.
Born (1) C: 16 Jun 1771 B: 20 May 1771
Parents: Thos. & Ann Davies, Saint Chad, Shrewsbury, Shropshire,
Born (2) C: 22 Jul 1770
Parents: Robert & Mary Davies, Saint Martins, Shropshire,
St Martins: of Robert Davies of the Rock, sawyer, and Mary:
Mary, ch 9/10/1768
Ann, ch 22/7/1770
Robert, b 9/4/1773, ch 17/4/73
Rebecca, b 4/8/1775, ch 13/8/75
Sarah, d of RD Rock, bur 1/12/1780
Robert D, blacksmith, & Mary Boodle, banns, 20/5/1755.
St Chad:
Bur woollen, Thos, d of Robt & Mary b. 17/8/1764, bur 23/9/64.
Robert, s of Robert & Mary, labourer, born 11/4/1780, ch 16/4
Robert, s of Robert Davies, bap 19/1/1767, bur 20/1/1767
Eliz, dau of R&M born 3/8/1770, bur 19/8/1770
Eliz, dau of R&M, born 11/9/1776, bap 6/10/1776
Willm, s of R&M born 28/4/1774., bur 3/2/1781
Geo & William s of R&M born 25/9/1778.
Issue of John & Ann Hughes:
(only Ann found on IGI: 2/2001, were the rest in Wellington - not on
IGI - not found on Wellington PR either)
1/1. Mary Hughes, 1806
1/2. Elizabeth Hughes, 1816
1/3. Martha Hughes, 1812-6 (Census's 41 & 51, if same person, disagree).
Ref Census, married Thomas Lloyd, Issue:
2/1. Amey Lloyd, b abt 1844, Lear (Lea?)
2/2. Thomas Lloyd, b. abt 1847, Lear.
2/3. Eliza Lloyd, b. abt 1850, Lear.
1/4. John Hughes, 1817 (age from C41 - unreliable?).
John Hughes of Lea bur Wrockwardine, 5/11/1843 aged 34
1/5. Ann (Hannah) Hughes, 7/5/1820, Wrockwardine.
Tithe Apportionments:
Charlton township, Wrockwardine Parish (#69), 1838:
Hughes, John (Lea) 21-0-32 acres of mixed pasture, meadow & arable,
rented from Duke of Cleveland.
109, Far Bank & Old House Meadow - Meadow, 3-1-24
116, Cottage Garden, 0-3-7
117, Croft - Pasture, 0-0-22
118, Sidelong Piece, - Pasture, 0-2-36
119, Sidelong Piece, - Arable, 0-2-36
120, Far Leasow, - Meadow, 2-1-16
122, Saw Pit Leasow - Arable, 1-2-0
129, Clover Leasow - Arable, 3-1-4
130, Hill Leasow - Arable, 4-2-11
133, Sheep Leasow - Arable, 1-3-1
133a, Patch - Arable, 0-1-1
Leasow = pasture.
This holding was on either side of the Watling St (A5) London to
Shrewsbury Rd, a few hundred yards east of the cross road between the A5
and the side road to Charlton hamlet.
The site was visited by A Maitland March 2005. The line of the Watling
Street road is unchanged from that shown on the tithe map. The area
where John Hughes' holdings lay is shown as having a small loop track to
the North of the main road, with some buildings on it. This track has
disappeared, although there is a trace of it in a depression in the
field and a couple of Oaks beside it. The immediate area has been
greatly changed by the building of the M54 just South of the holding
area. It seems probable that the main farm to the west, between the Lea
and Charlton has grown and taken in the surrounding land and buildings.
Hughes, John (Ocuby Hill???), Croft, 2-0-2 acres arable.
Wrockwardine township:
Hughes, John 2 cottages rented to John Hall.
1841 Census, Charlton:
John Hughes (hd, 75 farmer), Ann (68), Mary (35 or 55), Elizabeth (25),
Martha (25), John (24), Charles (15), Margaret (5).
1851 Census: no sign of John & family.
1851 Census, Bealton:
Edward Hughes (49, Ag Lab, Dudley? Staffs) Mary (40, Ercal), Frances (8,
W'dine), John (5, W'dine), Beth (1, W'dine).
1851 Census, New Village, Bilston:
Thomas Lloyd (45, Labourer in Iron Works, Montgomery?), Martha (39,
Salop, unreadable), Amey (7, Lear, Salop), Thomas (4, Lear), Eliza (1,
Lear), William Adams?? (lodger, 57, Blacksmith, N/Known), Elizabeth
Adams?? (widow, 23, N/K), John Hughes (lodger, widower, 89, Lear).
Lear presumable = Lea
Miscellaneous references:
Census 41, Mossey Green, Wellington:
John Hughes (Labourer, 60), Elizabeth (50)
Overley Hill:
John Hughes (65), Mary (65).
Other Hughes Found:
Burials @ Wrockwardine:
Hughes Roseanna 18340812 of Wrockwardine age 28
(Thomas & Roseanna parents in Wellington 1829)
Hughes Phillip 18290123 of Wellington
Hughes John 18240905 of P. House, age 100
Hughes John 18491130 of Broomfield age 75
Hughes Harriet 18501106 of Bratton aged 3
There were also a number of Hughes' found in the 1841 Wellington
township Census. Also found in the Tithe records:
Ketley, Wellington:
Elizabeth Hughes, House & Gdn from Duke of Sutherland.
Wellington Township, both near New St:
Mary Hughes, 12 houses - tenanted.
Eleanor Hughes, 2 houses to Enoch & Thomas Hughes.
John Hughes, tenant of William Lawley.
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From Ancestry.com PR online & IGI: Wrockwardine
Probable sequence (11/2003):
JOHN HUGHES
AM/08/61
Born: 18/4/1737, Wrockwardine,
Parents: John & Mary (Shephard) Hughes, "of the Lea"
See below for possible marriages.
Issue (Wrockwardine, Shropshire):
1/1. John of J&M (privately) bap 7/3/1763 & bur 23/3/1763 (IGI & Acom)
1/2. Alice Hughes C: 1 Jul 1764 (IGI & A.com)
1/3. John, s of John of the Lea and Mary, bap 20/4/1767. (IGI & Acom)
1/4. William Hughes C: 6 Oct 1769 (IGI & A.com)
1/5. Mary of J&M ch 21/5/1772, bur 16/2/1778 age 5 (IGI & Acom)
1/6. Martha HUGHES C: 19 Jun 1775 (IGI & A.com)
Also on Acom:
1/7. Thomas, s of J&M ch 31/12/1780
1/8. Ann d of J&M bur 31/12/1799
IGI Marriages of John HUGHES:
7 Sep 1742 Mary BEARD Madeley, Shropshire,
13 Oct 1752: Mary CARTWRIGHT Ludlow, Shropshire,
15 Feb 1756: Mary JENNINGS Ludlow, Shropshire,
19 Nov 1759: Mary WILLIAMS Oswestry, Shropshire,
25 Nov 1759: Mary FLETCHER Barrow, Shropshire,
29 Dec 1761: Mary TUDOR Kinnersley, Shropshire,
26 Jan 1762: Mary ROBERTS Saint Julian, Shrewsbury,
28 Apr 1765: Mary DAVIES Saint Julian, Shrewsbury,
31 May 1769: Mary NAGINGTON Hinstock, Shropshire,
22 Jul 1771: Cathrine JEFFREYS Holy Cross And Saint Giles, Shrewsbury,
1 May 1780: Catherine BURGES Wrockwardine, Shropshire, (JH of Wellington)
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JOHN HUGHES
Gen 9:
Born: 23/8/1712, Wrockwardine. (IGI & Acom)
Parents: Edward & Alice (Pearse) Hughes, "Taylo(e)r of the Lea"
Married, Wrockwardine, (IGI & Acom)
John Hughes OTP? & Mary Shephard of Wellington, mar 16/4/1732
MARY SHEPHARD
Ch: 13 Dec 1713 Wellington
Father: Richard & Sara Sheapard
Issue (Wrockwardine, Shropshire):
1/1. Alice d of J&M of the Lea, ch 5/6/1734 (IGI & Acom)
1/2. Mary of J&M ch 9/1/1735/6 (IGI & Acom)
1/3. John s of J&M of the Lea, ch 18/4/1737 (IGI & Acom)
1/4. Thomas s of J&M, ch 4/6/1738, prob bur 9/6/1749 (IGI & Acom)
1/5. William, s of J&M, ch 3/5/1741, Prob bur 17/12/1743 (IGI & Acom)
1/6. Edward, s of J&M ch 26/5/1745, bur 14/6/1746 (IGI & Acom)
1/7. Edward HUGHES C: 5 Nov 1751 (IGI & A.com)
IGI Other alternatives:
Mary SHEPHERD C: 23 May 1714
Father: John SHEPHERD Deuxhill And Glazeley, Mother: Elizabeth
Mary SHEPHERD C: 9 Jun 1712
Mother: Mary SHEPHERD Quatt Malvern, Shropshire,
Mary SHEPHERD C: 29 Dec 1708
Father: John SHEPHERD Ditton Priors, Shropshire, Mother: Mary
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EDWARD HUGHES
Gen 10:
Ch: 9/1/1674, Wrockwardine, (Acom/IGI)
Parents: John & Judith (Bartlom) Hughes.
Edward H of the Lea, tayler, and Alice d of John Pearse of the brook m. 12/5/1708
ALICE PEARSE
Ch: 12/1/1672, Wrockwardine.
Parents: John & Jane (Jones) Pearce
Issue, Wrockwardine:
John, s of Edward of the Lea, taylor, bap 23/8/1712 (IGI & Acom)
??Robert, s of JP of Admaston, yeoman, ch 27/5/1711.
??William, s of JP of Alscott, yeoman, ch 5/1/1703
RICHARD SHEPHARD
(Shephard spelling unified!)
Ch: 24/10/1684, Wellington
Parents: William & Jane (Owen) Shephard
Married: Sarah Dogg, Wellington (IGI) 10/9/1710
Issue, Wellington:
1/1. Mary Shephard, ch 13/12/1713,
1/2. Thomas SHEAPARD C: 6 Mar 1719
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JOHN HUGHES
Gen 11:
John Hughes & Judith Bartlom, m 16/7/1658, Wrockwardine
Issue, Wrockwardine, (Acom):
1/1. John of Wilmore bur 3/12/1660
1/2. David, s of J&J ch 30/5/1665 (IGI also)
1/3. Judith, d of J&J ch 17/9/1667 (IGI also)
1/4. Edward s of J&J, ch 9/1/1674 (IGI also)
Also on Acom:
John of Aston, bur 1/4/1684
John Hughes, bur 31/12/1674
JOHN PEARCE
John Pearce of Longlane, bur Wr, 25/1/1680
John Pearse, of the Lea, pauper, bur 18/1/1715 (Acom)
Katherine Thomas, a servant of John Pearce, bur Wr 4/7/1675
John Pearce & Jane Jones mar Wrockwardine, 12/6/1665 (Acom)
JANE JONES
Jane, wf of John Pearse of the Brooke, bur 3/3/1710
Issue, Wrockwardine:
1/1. Alice Pearse, ch 12/1/1672, Wrockwardine, of John & Jane Pearce
1/2. Mary Pearce, ch 21/5/1669 of J&JP (Acom)
1/3. John Pearce, ch 18/5/1666 of J&JP (Acom)
1/4. Elizabeth, d of John & Jone ch 27/9/1672
WILLIAM SHEPHERD
IGI: Willm. SHEPHEARD C: 26 Sep 1639
Father: Willm. SHEPHEARD Newport, Shropshire, Mother: Mary
IGI: M: 25 May 1681 Jane OWEN Wrockwardine, Shropshire
JANE OWEN
Jane OWIN C: 9 May 1661
Father: John OWIN Newport, Shropshire, Mother: Ellen
Jane OWEN C: 3 Sep 1660
Father: Thomas OWEN Lilleshall, Shropshire, Mother: Jane
Jane OWEN C: 9 Jun 1660
Father: Hugh OWEN Saint Chad, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, Mother: Mary
Ancestry.com:
Martha, d of Hugh Owen, bur 30/6/1667, St Chad
Hannah, d of Hugh & Margaret Owen, ch 1/10/1657, St Chad
Jane, d of Hugh & Mary, ch 9/6/1660
Issue: Wellington, Shropshire (IGI):
1/1. Richard SHEPHERD C: 24 Oct 1684
1/2. William SHEPHARD C: 8 Sep 1682
1/3. Sarah SHEEPHARD C: 24 Jul 1692
The Broseley Anti-Felons
By JOHN CRAGG
This article was originally published in the Wilkinson Journals 9 and 11
- 1981&83
(Extracts only, see Full Text)
"The Anti-Felons" was the name by which they were popularly known. Their
full title was "The Broseley Association for the Prosecution of Felons".
They were one of many such associations existing in the 18th, 19th and
well into the 20th centuries, which originally had the sole purpose of
bringing petty criminals to justice. They flourished in the days prior
to the compulsory establishment of borough and county police forces.
The Prestwich family were vintners. Early in the 19th century they left
Broseley for London where their trade flourished. Joseph Prestwich
married Catherine Blakeway in 1809 in Broseley. They had a son Joseph
who became Professor of Geology at Oxford and was the author of a well-
known work on "The Coalbrookdale Coalfield". After the departure of the
Prestwich family for London their business in Broseley was taken over by
the Listers.
At the Anti-Felons’ meeting held on April 20th, 1820, at the Fox Inn,
Broseley, a new committee was formed consisting of: Mr. A. Brodie, Mr W.
Hazeldine (represented by Mr. Thomson), Mr. W. Fifield, Mr. Thos.
Roberts, Mr. Jno. Lister, Mr. Abr. Wyke, Mr. Samuel Roden, Mr. Geo.
Hartshorne. Any four of these men could act in conjunction with the
Treasurer who had been in office since before 1789.
LISTERS AND BRADLEYS in BROSELEY DIRECTORIES
Pigots & Tibnams, 1822, 1828 & 1835.
Hop and Seed Merchants:
Lister John and Son, Broseley: 1822, 1828 (and wine & spirit),
Lister Thomas, Broseley: 1835
Maltsters
Lister John and Son, Broseley: 1822, 1828
Lister Thomas, Broseley: 1835
Wine & Spirit Merchants
Lister John and Son, Broseley 1822, 1828
Lister Thomas, Broseley: 1835
Thomas Lister, 1841: Winemerchant, High St, Broseley, aged 40.
Public Houses:
Elephant, John Bradley, Broseley: 1828
Elephant & Castle, Edwd. Lister, Broseley: 1835
Edward Lister 1841: Elephant St, Innkeeper, aged 65.
Spirit Vaults, Thomas Lister, Ironbridge: 1835
Retailers of Beer
Lisseter William, Ironbridge 1835
WATCH & CLOCK MAKERS.
Lister William, Iron bridge: 1828
Lisseter William, Ironbridge: 1835
Surgeons
Lister John Matthews, Broseley 1835
Listers in 1838 Tithe Apportionment:
Davenport, John;
Thomas Lister, 800, Upper Brier Acre, Arable, 5/1/30
846, Lower Brier Acre, Arable, 5-2-5
Forrester, Lord;
John Lister, 78, Garden, 0-0-13
300a, House & Garden (H&G), relet to John Brown, 0-0-25
407, H&G, relet to George Mason
Thomas Lister, 159, Barn Field, Yard, poole
379a, H&G, Shop, relet to Francis Glaze
907, Pitch Hirst, Meadow, 5-2-5
Edward Lister, 214, Elephant & Castle PH
215a, House & Yard, relet to Edward Glover
215b, Shop, relet to Francis Littlehayes
215c, Shop, relet to John Fenton.
327, H&G, relet to Thomas Higginson
217b, House & Yard, relet to Francis Littlehayes
John Roper 251e, H&G, relet to Lucy Roper
251f, H&G, relet to George Jones
251g, H&G, relet to Thomas Farmer
George Bradley 387d, H&G
John Raby 397a, H&G, relet to Samuel Morris
Thomas Morris 548c, H&G
Towing Path Co 767, H&G used as storehouse & Garden, relet to Richard B
Francis Bradley 923b, H&G
Thomas Morris 1071b, H&G
William Gwynn:
Edward Lister 29g, House
Francis Blythe Herries:
Edward Lister 505, Garden in Worf Field
508, Worf Piece, 1-1-3
510, Weavers Garden, 2-0-11
896, toll Gate Piece, 1-3-35
Margaret Lister 691a, H&G
697, Garden
James Foster 685b, H&G, relet to John Lister
John & Lloyd Lister:
Henry Grove 32, Cottage & Garden
John Lister:
Thomas Haines 89c, House & Yard (H&Y)
William Parsons 89d, H&Y
John Hayman 89e, H&Y
John Dearborn 89f, House
William Davies 91a, H&G
William Cartwright 193d, H&Y, Shop, Stable
Hannah Guest 219, H&G
John Lister 282a, house
Thomas Lister:
Thomas Lister 89g, Warehouse
John Westhay 339b, H&G
Abraham Westhay 339c, H&G
Edward Lister:
William Allison 287c, House
William Hopton, 282b, H&G
John Potts:
Sarah Roper & James Harrison, 42d, H&G
William Roper:
Benjamin Bradley 108d, H&G & Pigsty
Thomas Wilde:
Elizabeth Roper 37f, House
Samuel Morris sen 38d, H&G
Rev Thomas Forrester (Glebe):
Thomas Lister 824, Parson's Piece
Lord Forrester 266b, carthouse, relet to Edward Lister.
Barrow:
Richard Scale: Piece of Land, 3-0-0
Sir John Acton:
Thomas Roper 220, Cottage & Land, Meadow, 0-0-30
227, Garden, Meadow, 0-0-15
222, H&G & Croft, 0-2-14
Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:24:21 +0000
"Andrew Hill" <benny_hill100@hotmail.com>
I began searching my family history about 2 years ago. I knew from
people alive and who I can remember some of my ancestors. I remember my
Great Grand mother Beatrice Alice Garbett who died in her 90's. I looked
her birth up and found:
No 306, 11/9/1884, 5, Fisher Street, Dudley, Beatrice Alice Garbett,
Girl, Father, Luke Garbett (Puddler) mother, Eliza Garbett (formerly)
Edwards. registered 23/10/1884 by X Eliza Garbett, 5, Fisher Street, Dudley.
I then looked for a marriage for Luke and Eliza.
No 396, 12/7/1884, St John's Church, Dudley,
Luke Garbett, 23, Bachelor, Iron worker, Dudley Port, (father) Benjamin
Garbett (deceased) Moulder.
Eliza Edwards, 20, Spin, Fisher Street, Dudley, (father) Alfred Edwards
(deceased) Brewer.
X Luke and X Eliza, Witnessed by Daniel and Sarah Ann Smart.
Eliza was around 7 months pregnant and Daniel Smart was the church
beadle and Sarah Ann his sister. So unsure if there had been a family
rift?
I then looked on the 1881 census to find their parents and where they
were living?
Luke Garbett drew a blank and I have not been able to get any further? Luke was probably not his first name. I checked deaths of Benjamin
Garbetts before 1881-1863 and only came up with a few that could have
been his father, but ages were not supplied on early ones. I have
checked Dudley Port, Tipton area parish records and found no Benjamin
Garbett with a male son of Lukes age?
Eliza Edwards was living with her parents at 5, Fisher Street, Dudley:
Alfred Edwards,Brewer,49, born, Lanterdine, Hereford.
Mary A. Edwards, wife, 44, born, Broseley, Shropshire.
William Edwards, son, 20, Maltster, un,born Dudley, Worcs.
Alfred Edwards, son, 18, Moulder (mf), un, born Dudley, Worcs.
Eliza Edwards,daugh, 17, un, born Dudley, Worcs.
Harriet Edwards, daugh, 11, un, Scholar, born Dudley, Worcs.
Clara Edwards, daugh, 9, Scholar,born Dudley, Worcs.
Julia Edwards, daugh, 5, Scholar, born Dudley, Worcs.
There was a multitude of Eliza Edwards on G.R.O. in the Dudley area, so
to move on quickly I searched, found and got Clara Edwards birth
certificate (to get Mary's maiden name)
No 294, 13/10/1871, Court no 8, 30, Castle Street, Dudley, Clara
Edwards, girl, father, Frederick Edwards (Inn Keeper, Brewer) mother,
Mary Ann Edwards (Gething), registered 9/12/1871 by X Frederick Edwards.
I then looked for a marriage between Frederick and Mary Ann before 1861:
No 118, 22/2/1857 St James Church Dudley,
Alfred Edwards, Full age, Bach, Labourer, Dudley, Father William Edwards
(farmer)
Mary Ann Gethen, Full age, Spin, , Dudley, Father Robert
Gethen (miner)
X Alfred X Mary Ann Witnesses: James Webb, X Elizabeth Webb.
So I knew Mary Ann Gethen, or Gething born about 1837, Father Robert
(miner). I went to Shrewsbury Archives and found the baptism:
N0 580, 31/6/1837, St Leonards Broseley, Salop, Mary Ann Gething,
parents, Robert (collier) and Sarah Gething, Broseley Hill.
As I have told you I then found Robert Gething and Sarah Ropers Marriage
on I.G.I. as a down load. I also saw the 1841 census details.
On the 1861 of Dudley:
Frederick Edwards, 29, Labourer Railway, born Adferton, Hereford.
Mary A. Edwards, 24, Wife, born Broseley, Salop.
Sarah A. Edwards, 3, Daugh, born Dudley, Worcs.
William Henry Edwards, 7 months, son, born Dudley, Worcs.
All ages on the 1841 census of Broseley are all given ( not rounded up
to the next 5th year)
So Sarah would have been born around 1816. She married Robert on
3/4/1836, aged about 20 and had Mary Ann 30/6/1837.
I know Sarah was christened in 1819 but families often could'nt afford
it just after the birth of a child.
Do you know if any other Roper was christened at the same time?
No father was given for Robert or Sarah, on their marriage certificate.
A relative of mine (I have still not met) was interested in the family
tree, so I sent him details slowly ( as not to confuse him ). I sent him
a copy of 1881 census and Mary Ann's marriage certificate. Before I sent
him the details from Broseley, he sent photocopies of all the details I
had found! He has not got any further either.
I can send you all copies if you are interested, but the marriage of
Robert and Sarah are poor? As I have said before it is a down load on
the Latterday Saints Website.
Yours Truly Andrew Hill.
Changes:
24/11/00 edit Ethel Ann Lister.
16/12/00 add death of William & Thomas Lister.
18/12/00 details of George Lister (b 1832).
24/12/00: descendants of George Lister.
15/1/2001: C71, 81 Thomas Lister.
28/2/2001: Hannah Hughes family. + IGI.
15/6/2001: resaved HTML from Word
7/9/2001: John Hughes D/C
5/11/2001: Hughes IGI Data
11/1/2002: Ann Hughes DC
18/2/2002: Census Results
14/3/2002: misc downloads added.
1/5/2002: Index & links to downloads.
18/7/2002: Layout.
17/9/2002: William Lister DC
28/9/2002: 1901 Census.
8/11/2002: Sarah Roper 1819
20/11/2002: Downloads re Broseley.
15/5/2003: Appendices
25/8/2003: C91 internet
14/11/2003: Benthall PR, Wrockwardine, Broseley Tithes
24/11/2003: Misc coal info - edited.
15/2/2004: Sarah Roper/Gething
30/6/2004: Insert Tree.
4/9/2004: Dower House collection etc.
24/3/2005: Site visit to The Lea (Hughes' farm)
14/8/2005: Census results
To Do,
15/11/2003:
What is a commission agent?
Coal mining in the area.
Samuel & Sarah Lister:-
Council activity 1898-1912.
Samuel Lister (business)
Death Cert. (Samuel & Sarah)
Where in 1871?
William Lister:-
Death Cert, 1884, Willenhall Also Martha (1881-1884).
Little London Baptist Chapel records.
1851 Census Portobello.
1871 Census Willenhall or Portobello (High St?).
Property records for Old Malt Shovel PH, High St Portobello
David Palmer:
Willenhall PR for children 1844-64. Death of Hannah 1864???
Where in 1851?
Thomas & Ann Lister:
W'ton PR for Hannah 1835, John 8?/1837, Abraham 1839, Jacob 1841.
Roper Family More research reqd at Shrewsury.
When did Baptists start their own PR?
John Palmer: Kinver & Enville PR's.