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Issue Date: 13/10/2015

Maitland Genealogy - Lister Section

 

    This is the family of Ethel Ann Lister, grandmother of Antony Maitland; The surname swapped between Lester, Lyster and Lister at various times: the name seems to have changed mid to late 19th Century. Ethel was born and brought up in Willenhall, but her father's family originated in the East Shropshire coal-fields of Broseley and Benthall, where they married with families of Bradley, Roper and Hughes (farmers of Wrockwardine, Salop). They migrated to the Wolverhampton/Willenhall area in the 1830's. Ethel's mother was a Palmer from Enville, West of Wolverhampton. Both families typify the movement of population into the Black Country from outlying rural communities.
    Much of this family was traced using paper records in the late 1990’s, and has been extended and confirmed in 2019 using online image sources. One line, the Rodens in the late 17thC and early 18thC replaced a different family, the Scales.
    The line back to the late 18thC is fairly certain and clear. Before that, a succession can be seen from Parish records, but in the absence of wills and other documents, the line cannot be said to be certain. Shown here is my best guess, using the indexes and parish record images of the records available thought internet sites. While the early family were centred about Broseley, it is difficult to know how far to cast the net in adjoining parishes.
    During the late 18thC and early 19thC, many of the Lister family worked in the mines in Broseley and Benthall districts. Coal production in Broseley declined in the 1830's, with only 126 people being employed in coal mines in 1840. Ironstone and clay mining continued longer. This industrial decline probably led to Thomas Lister's migration to Wolverhampton where the mines were still developing and profitable. Some of the South Staffordshire miners moved up to Yorkshire as experts when the fields in that part developed.
    The tithe records for Broseley show a number of Listers owning or renting property in Broseley: a Thomas Lister was one of these, but it is not likely that he is our ancestor, who moved to Wolverhampton about this time. He probably would not have done so if he had significant property interests.
    Broseley is located in the southern end of the Coalbrookdale coal-field. There are a number of minerals available, notably coal, ironstone, brick, red and tile clays and limestone to the west of the Broseley Fault, at Benthall. All these minerals have been exploited over the years. The minerals are at a comparatively shallow depth and were mined by insetts (adits, drift mining) into the hillside, by shallow shafts or in the case of limestone by quarrying. Thomas Lister variously described himself as a coalminer or stone miner (ironstone).
    While coal had been extracted from the Coalbrookdale seams since the 14thC, the main expansion did not the early 18thC, particularly when Abraham Darby started smelting iron in 1709. Before this era, most of the population was still agrarian.
    There were other Lesters around Willenhall in the 19thC, connected with Purslows in Wolverhampton.
    There were dissenters shown on the Benthall records, and the Quakers of Shropshire had a family of Bradleys in the 18thC, and the family of Julius Palmer in the early part of that century, one at least born in Bridgnorth in 1711. Amongst others were the Abraham Darby family and also Sankeys, another old Midland industrial name.
    The Roper family before the late 18thC is difficult to trace accurately, there were too many similar families in the area: several lines are shown, but without more information, it is not possible to differentiate between them.



Sources:
1. Civil BMD Records           2. Parish Records.
3. IGI/AF.                     4. Census.
5. Family interview.           6: Newspaper & other publications
7: Wills                       8: Tombstone
9. Family History              9w: JP&S Documented history.
9a: AS Parkes.                 9p: Photo Albums.
Acom: ancestry.com
A. Civil BMD Records                B. Parish Records.
D. IGI/AF.                          C. Census.
E. Family interview.                F: Newspaper & other pubs.
G: Wills                            H: MI
J. Family History                   K: JP&S Documented history.
ASP: AS Parkes.                     P: Photo Albums.
T: trade directory


Sources as endnotes.
Private information as footnotes (removed before websave).


Appendices and other References:
Lister Will full text
1. Reference to early Listers in Broseley in "Broseley Anti-Felons".
2. Background on Canals on the Severn.
3. List of Mines in Cheshire & Shropshire
4. Broseley Directories (Lister mentions)
5. Churches: All Saints Broseley (St Leonard's)
6.           Birchmeadow Chapel
7.
8. Piggots 1822:
BROSELEY COALBROOK-DALE, COALPORT, IRON-BRIDGE AND MADELEY.
9. Piggots 1835:
BROSLEY AND MADELEY WITH COALBROOK-DALE, COALPORT, IRONBRIDGE, BENTHALL & NEIGHBOURHOODS

Broseley Local History Society - source of much background information.



CONTENTS

THE LISTER FAMILY i

Maitland Genealogy - Lister Section i

4.        ******************** GENERATION 4 ************************* 4-1

ETHEL ANNE LISTER 4-1

5.        ********************* GENERATION 5 *********************** 5-1

SAMUEL LISTER 5-1

SARAH PALMER - 1856 5-3

Details of SAMUEL LISTER: 5-5

6.        ********************** GENERATION 6 ********************** 6-1

WILLIAM LISTER - 1827 6-1

MARTHA ROPER - 1822 6-2

DAVID PALMER - 1814 6-3

HANNAH HUGHES 6-5

7.        ********************** GENERATION 7 ********************** 7-1

THOMAS LISTER - 1803 7-1

ANN BRADLEY - 1806 7-3

TIMOTHY ROPER - 1783 7-10

MARY MORRIS 7-10

JOHN PALMER 7-12

Other Palmers 7-14

Descendants of Thomas Palmer ch Highley, 14/10/1638 7-15

8.        ********************* GENERATION 8 *********************** 8-1

ELIZABETH LISTER 8-1

JOHN BRADLEY - 1778 8-1

ANN LISTER - 1777 8-1

TIMOTHY ROPER - 1740 8-2

SAMUEL or HENRY MORRIS 8-3

9.        *********************** GENERATION 9 ********************** 9-1

THOMAS LYSTER 9-1

ANN FARMER 9-1

FRANCIS BRADLEY - 1751 9-1

WILLIAM LYSTER - 1750 9-3

ELIZABETH BRADLEY - 1750 9-3

TIMOTHY or MICHAEL ROPER 9-4

Francis Roper, b abt 1615 9-4

CHARLES KIDSON 9-6

THOMAS KIDSON - 1692 9-6

JOHN KIDSON - 1667 9-7

JOHN WILLIAMS 9-7

10.      ******************* GENERATION 10 ******************* 10-1

WILLIAM LISTER: - 1717 10-1

JOHN BRADLEY - 1710 10-1

MARY BEVAN - 1712 10-1

SAMUEL LYSTER 10-2

ELIZABETH RODEN - 1715 10-2

FRANCIS BRADLEY - 1716 10-2

ELIZABETH DARBY - 1718 10-2

11.      ******************** GENERATION 11-13 ******************* 11-1

WILLIAM LISTER 11-1

MORRIS BRADLEY - 1679 11-1

THOMAS BEVAN 11-1

THOMAS LISTER – 1672 11-2

SAMUEL RODEN - 1685 11-2

FRANCIS BRADLEY - 1680 11-3

THOMAS BRADLEY 11-4

SAMUEL RODEN. 11-4

NATHANIEL BRADLEY 11-5

RICHARD RODEN 11-5

12.      HUGHES FAMILY 12-1

JOHN HUGHES - 1767 12-3

ANN DAVIES 12-3

Tithe Apportionments: 12-4

JOHN HUGHES - 1737 12-7

MARY ROBERTS 12-7

JOHN HUGHES - 1712 12-7

MARY SHEPHARD - 1713 12-8

EDWARD HUGHES - 1674 12-8

ALICE PEARCE - 1672 12-8

RICHARD SHEPHARD 12-8

JOHN HUGHES 12-9

JOHN PEARCE 12-10

JANE JONES 12-10

WILLIAM SHEPHERD - 1659 12-11

JANE OWEN 12-11

13.      Other Lister Stories 13-1

Apprentices 13-1

Lister 13-1

Bradley 13-1

Palmer 13-1

The Broseley Anti-Felons 13-2

LISTERS AND BRADLEYS in BROSELEY DIRECTORIES 13-3

THE WILLENHALL SUPERMAN (George Lister 1832-1905) 13-6

Changes: 1



 


                 |Thomas Lister (1803-1874)
                 |     |                 |William Lister NFI
                 |     |           |William Lyster 1716
                 |     |           |     |Elizabeth 
                 6     7     |Thomas Lyster 1763
                 |     |     |     |
                 |     |     |     |     |John Traunter 
                 |     |     |     |Mary Traunter
                 |     |     |           |Ann Bloomer/Millart
                 |     |Elizabeth Lyster (1784-)
                 |           |Ann Farmer
           |William Lister (1827-1884)
           |     |                                   |Nathaniel Bradley
           |     |                             |Thomas Bradley 1638
           |     |                             |     |Margaret
           |     |                             |     
           |     |                       |Morris Bradley 1679
           |     |                       |     |Alice
           |     6                 |John Bradley 1710
           |     |                 |    |Elizabeth Rogers
           |     |           |Francis Bradley 1751
           |     |           |     |    |Thomas Bevan
           |     |           |     |Mary Bevan
           |     |           |          |Elizabeth Clea
           |     |           |
           |     |     |John Bradley 1778
           |     |Ann Bradley (1806-1883)
           |           |     |Mary Evans
           |           |                 |Thomas Lister 1696/1672
           |           |           |Samuel Lyster 1721
           |           |           |
           |           |     |William Lyster 1749
           |           7     |     |          
           |           |     8     9     |Samuel Roden 1685
           |           |     |     |Elizabeth Roden 1715-20
           |           |     |           |Elizabeth or Ann
           |           |Ann Lyster 1777
           |                 |           |Francis Bradley 1680
           |                 |           |     |Mary Bradley
           |                 |     |Francis Bradley 1716
           |                 |     |     |Jane
           |                 |Elizabeth Bradley 1750
           |                       |           |Thomas Darby
           |                       9     |William Darby
           |                       |           |Sarah
           |                       |Elizabeth Darby 1718
           |                             |Jane
     |Samuel Lister (1856-1923)
     |     |                 |Timothy Roper
     |     |           |Timothy Roper 1740
     |     |     |Timothy Roper 1783
     |     |     |     |  
     |     |     |     |                 |John Kidson 1667
     |     |     |     |           |Thomas Kidson 1692
     |     |     |     |           |     |Mary Hughes
     |     |     |     |     |Charles Kidson 1721

     |     |     |     |     |     |     |John Williams
     |     |     |     |     |     |Mary Williams 1689
     |     |     |     |     |           |Margaret
     |     |     |     |Elizabeth Kidson 1745
     |     |     |           |Elizabeth Knowles
     |     |Martha Roper 1822
     |           |     |Samuel Morris?
     |           |Mary Morris
     |                 |Martha Evans?
Ethel Ann Lister (1885-1951)     
     |           |John Palmer
     |     |David Palmer (1814-)     
     |Sarah Palmer (1856-1938)
           |                             |John Hughes??
           |                       |Edward Hughes 1674
           |                       |     |Judith Bartlom??
           |                 |John Hughes 1712
           |                 |     |     |John Pearce
           |                 |     |Alice Pearce 1672
           |                 |           |
           |                 |           |     Thomas Jones
           |                 |           |Jane Jones 1644
           |           |John Hughes 1737
           |           |     |          

           |           |     |                 |Richard Shepherd

           |           |     |           |William Shepherd 1659
           |           7     8    |Richard Sheapherd 1684
           |           |     |    |      |Jane Owen
           |           |     Mary Shepherd 1713
           |           |           |Sara Dogg
           |     |John Hughes 1767
           |     |     |
           |     |     |
           |     |     |     |David Roberts
           |     6     |Mary Roberts
           |     |           |Mary
           |     |       
           |Hannah Hughes (1820-)
                 |Ann Davies





 

4.         ******************** GENERATION 4 *************************

 

ETHEL ANNE LISTER

AM04/04


Born[1]: 1/9/1885, Willenhall 
Birth Cert Wolverhampton Q4 1885 6b 589
BC: 1/9/1885 of 15 Lower Lichfield St, Wolverhampton.
Parents: Samuel & Sarah Lister.
Married: 15/4/1915, Arthur Josiah Parkes More
Died[2]: 3/9/1951, Oaken, Codsall. Service at Codsall Church.


Obtained Second Class in Stage 1 in Inorganic Chemistry (Practical & Theoretical) from Board of Education, South Kensington, 1905.

Issue:
1/1. Rosemary Joyce Lister Parkes (14/6/1919),
1/2. Elizabeth Ursula Parkes. (1922).

The following is from RJLM & AM memories.
    Her daughter, Rosemary, thinks that she was conceived in Stresa on Lake Maggiori in Italy, where Arthur and Ethel were on R&R towards the end of the 1st World War. Ethel, a VAD nurse, had travelled there by train, no mean feat at that time, probably done as a uniformed nurse which aided travel in those times.
    She had a good sense of humour. She was brought up by her parents in the Trinity branch of Protestantism. RJLM remembers her swearing all to secrecy that they had played bridge on a Sunday, which would have been disapproved of by her parents. She had a brain haemorrhage in September 1937, when RJLP was studying for Cambridge entrance, and spent some time in hospital. Her letters to RJLM in Egypt show her as being a caring mother and give a good indication of their war-time life in Codsall. She remained somewhat disabled - A3M only remembers her seated. She died in September 1951 (brain tumour?), while the family was on holiday in Abersoch, N Wales: I (A3M) remember RJLM leaving in a hurry for home without us children - we knew something awful was happening, but not what. Arthur commissioned a window on the west front of Codsall Church in her memory.
    She was a nurse in the 1st War at Clandon Park (post cards dated 1916/7). (West Clandon, nr Guildford, Surrey, GU4 7RQ, National Trust Property), since burnt down in 2017.

Dower House Docs:
To Italy, 20/9/1918, Modano?
Passport "British Control Milan"
     Bearer is processing to London UK via Paris. For the purpose returning home her husband's leave having terminated. Address "The Manor" Willenhall. 2/10/1918. Entry into France at Modane (N of Briancon) 2/10/1918.
   Passport Endorsements: Travelling to Italy via France. Bearer declares that she is proceeding to Rapallo Italy for the purpose of meeting her husband on leave there 11/9/1918.
Military Permit Office: Italy, joining Husband valid for the duration of his leave at Rapallo. Report British Consul on arrival at Turin. Via Havre Paris etc. Authorisation from French "to join husband".



 

5.         ********************* GENERATION 5 ***********************



SAMUEL LISTER

AM05/07


The father of Ethel Parkes.

Definitive Sources: BC/MC/DC/Will & RJL Parkes

Birth & Marriage certs held.
BornA: 8/8/1856 @ Portobello, Willenhall
Parents: William & Martha (Roper) Lister.
Died1: @ 229 Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton, 22/1/1923,
Age 66 W'ton 6b 584 (Inquest natural causes)
Married1: 26/12/1881 at Parish Ch, St John, W'ton, Sarah Palmer.

    Born and raised in Portobello, Willenhall, his father was a coal miner, a trade in which he was in 1881: the only Samuel Lister of the right age listed in 1881 census was probably him as a miner lodging in Ogley Hay, Brownhills. Through the list of Listers in the area, there seems to be little standardisation of the spelling between LISTER and LESTER. In 1881, he was spelt Lester, but looks to be the right one. By his marriage at the end of that year, he was resident in Paradise St, Wolverhampton. 10 years later in 1891 he had moved to 15, Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall where he was a "commission agent", and listed as a tea & furniture dealer in 1892. There is a curious reference in the London Gazette in 1892 of a Samuel Lister in a partnership of an iron foundry[3]. Our Samuel was the only one in Willenhall in 1891, so maybe he had made an investment in the foundry: it might have come via his grandfather, Thomas who seemed to have some commercial/industrial interests in Willenhall.
    In contrast to the commercial agent, the commission agent conducts business in his own name for the account of others. Like the commercial agent, he works for a commission, but he can claim it only when the deal he has made with the third party has actually been performed.
    In 1901, they lived in Bank Street, Willenhall, as a Furniture dealer: Ethel's later Parkes family live a few doors away!
    They moved from the Manor Estate, Willenhall (where they were in 1908 - postcards were addressed there), to Bakers Buildings (including son Howard) in Wolverhampton in abt 1910. Probably 13 Bank St Willenhall in 1915. At his death, he lived with his wife and Gladys and Howard at 229 Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton: Gladys lived here until her death in 1962, a house well remembered by the surviving Parkes descendants.
    These Listers were Methodists and observed Sunday's strictly - when Ethel and her children made their own meals and played games on Sundays, they were sworn to secrecy not to tell their grandmother Lister! They were probably teetotal.
    He bought a carpet and drapery business in Chapel Ash for his son Howard, whose health was not good enough for military service in the Great War, according to Rosemary (Parkes) Maitland. A copy of a payment note from Samuel Lister & Son, dated 9 Aug 1933, was headed “House and Office Furnishers, Piano and Gramophone Dealers. Established 1880, proprietor Excors of the late H.F. Lister, then at 15 Lichfield Street.
    This business, Samuel Lister and Sons continued trading at 15 Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall until the late 1970s, and was finally wound up 24 April 1980. The property having been bought for £5750 in June 1961 (presumably rented before that) and sold for £10000 June 1979. The property was owned by RJLM & EUW and rented to the business. “The Shop” as it was known in the family used to supply the Wolverhampton family with furniture and bedding, and was to Antony & Lindley a slightly mysterious organisation!
    He left his house and contents to his wife with the rest of his estate (about £9500) in trust for his children with the income to his wife for life: an annuity was payable to Gladys, who needed help all her life.

Express and Star, January 23rd 1923:
Lister January 22nd at 229 Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton. Samuel Lister J.P. (suddenly) aged 66 years. Interment at Willenhall New Cemetary on Thursday 25th at 12 pm. Service at Trinity Chapel, Compton Rd, Wolverhampton at 10.30 am.
Express and Star, January 25th 1923: (print not clear)
The late Mr Samuel Lister today Thursday 25th
Prior to the interment at Willenhall, service held at Trinity Weslyan Chapel, Compton Rd, Wolverhampton. List of attendees, including the bench of Willenhall and strong representation of police.



229 Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton, about 1962

Dower House Collection.
Letters of condolence from many inter alia:
Darlaston St Circuit, Methodist
Willenhall Urban District Council
Staffs Education Committee, Walsall Rd School. "always found him conscientious sympathetic and helpful."
Wolverhampton (Rugby Union) Football Club
Murton & Varley Ltd - as a customer - a perfect gentleman.
Schedule of petty sessions - JP
3 post cards to Howard, Sarah & Ethel from France about 22 April 1908, while they were on holiday elsewhere (addressed to The Manor) or simply on holiday from school.

Samuel Lister & Sons – Shop
London Gazette 26 May 1950: to be struck off Companies Register within 3 months if no cause given not to. Dissolved LG 21 Nov 1950.

http://blackcountryhistory.org:-

Conveyance

Ref No: 35/31/3

Repository: Walsall Local History Centre

Date: 26 Jan 1914

Creator: unknown

Description: Conveyance. 1. Samuel Lister of Willenhall, furniture dealer. 2. John Albert Harper of same, ironfounder. For 475 (1) to (2) parcel land in Lister Street, Willenhall.

Extent: 1 item

Level: Item

For more information contact: Walsall Archives / Local History Centre

Abstract of title and supplemental abstract of title

 

Ref No: 35/30/6a-b

Repository: Walsall Local History Centre

Date: 1903

Creator: unknown

Description: Abstract of title and supplemental abstract of title of Samuel Lister to lands near Birmingham Street, Willenhall Reciting deeds 18 May 1896 - 8 Oct

Extent: 2 items

Level: Item

For more information contact: Walsall Archives / Local History Centre

Conveyance 35/30/5a-c

(8 Oct 1903)

Copy conveyance. 1. Wolverhampton Freeholders Permanent Benefit Building Society. 2. Samuel Lister of Willenhall, furniture dealer. For 3,200 (1) to (2) 4a. 3r. 5p., part of lands called Hovel Piece, Churchyard Piece, and Summer House Piece, near Monday Alley and Birmingham Street, Willenhall (Plan of property included) Enclosed Second copy of said deed.

Walsall Archives / Local History Centre

Ref No: D-NAJ/C/1/LI1

Repository: Wolverhampton Archives & Local Studies

Date: 1894 - 1934

Description: Mrs Cotton to A.Lindop: Horsebrook Cottage; 1900.

James Linford decd: sale of property at Commercial Road and Pool Street; 1903.

Lister and Baker: valuations of properties at Sedgley; 1909.

J.M.Lister decd: property at Penkridge and Stafford; 1894.

Samuel Lister: Waverley Terrace, North Road; 1913-18.



Willenhall History Society Website 29/1/00 (download 26/11/01)

Lister Street. This street was originally named Mount Pleasant but was renamed Lister Street on 29.07.1910 in honour of Councillor Samuel Lister who was elected a member of the Willenhall Urban District Council on April 18th 1898 and served as chairman from 1908 until 1912. He also served as Overseer for the Poor. (Josiah Parkes jnr was also a councillor) (Willenhall History Society Website, 29/1/2000).

London Gazette 19 May 1980:
Appointment of Liquidators
Name of Company: SAMUEL LISTER AND SON (FURNISHERS) LIMITED.

Nature of Business: FURNITURE RETAILERS.

Address of Registered Office: 15 Lower Lichfield Street,

Willenhall, West Midlands.

Liquidator's Name and Address: Norman Kirkham, 14 Lichfield

Street, Wolverhampton.

Date of Appointment: 24th April 1980.

By whom Appointed: Members.



Married:

SARAH PALMER - 1856

AM05/08

The mother of Ethel Parkes.

Definitive Sources: BC/MC/DC/Will & RJL Parkes

BornA: 1/10/1856 at Church St, Willenhall,
Parents: David & Hannah (Hughes) Palmer.
DiedG: of 229 Tettenhall Rd, W'ton @ Queen Victoria Nursing Institute, W'ton, 25/7/1938.
Prob, Bham, 27/9/1938 to AJP & Reginald Harris. £6986-10-10d
Will dated 7/11/1930 appointed AJ Parkes and Reginald Harris of Number 1 New Road Willenhall Executors.
Married: Samuel Lister 26/12/1881 @ the Parish Church of St John, Wolverhampton (age 24, of Paradise St).

Legacies:
To daughter Gladys Lister 25 pounds.
To Granddaughter Rosemary Parkes 25 pounds at 21 years old
To Granddaughter Elizabeth Ursula Parkes 25 pounds at 21 years

The remainder to daughter Ethel Parkes.

Witness Martha J Lister & Gertrude Nellie Humphreyson.

1881 Census, 98, Tettenhall Rd, W'ton: probably her.  Sarah Palmer (23, Cook, Willenhall), Charles Matthews, Head.

Her granddaughter, RJL (Parkes) Maitland said she was a splendid woman - had a cataract operation abt 1937. She and Ethel would go to London for evening shows.

Issue Samuel & Sarah Lister:
1/1. Ethel Ann Lister b. 1/9/1885

Mother of Rosemary (Parkes) Maitland.

1/2. Gladys Hilda Lister

Birth Registered at Wolverhampton 3/1891 ref 6b 616 (646?)
Born 21/12/1890 at 15, Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall.
Father: Samuel Lister. Mother: Sarah, formerly Palmer.
Father's Occupation: Commission Agent.

Scholars Certificate given by London Institute for the Advancement of Needlework, "Very Good" in Plain Needlework "Bag", July 1904.
Very Fair in Plain Needlework, Pillowcase.

Aunt Gladys never married, and lived at 229, Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton, where her parents had lived, and was rather eccentric:
AJP, her brother-in-law found her very trying (he said she must have been dropped on her head at birth!), but looked after her affairs. To children, she was fascinating and her house on Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton was a treasure trove, if a little dark and smelly!
She lived on the proceeds of a trust set up by her brother, the majority of which was the furniture shop in Willenhall – always just referred to as “The Shop”. Its effect of the rest of the family was a source of carpets and furnishings at cost price.
She died in 13/6/1962 at 229 Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton, of cancer of rectum, and in her will of 26/4/1962, left her nieces her jewellery and personal effects and the cash residue to her 4 nephews and nieces (£4830-6-1d each at Jan 1963, including 2677 JP&S 10/- shares, after scrip issue 50%).
Her estate was valued at £36240, (about £500,000 in 2005) and makes interesting reading: Aunt Gladys was must have behaved in a traditional manner towards traders and owed about £1075 (£15000 in 2005) locally, about 1/3 to James Beattie Ltd for "food supplied"!

Dower House collection:
Gladys H Lister confirmed 2 June 1906. First communion 17 June 1906. St Anne's Chapel.(P28-01)

1/3. Howard Frank Lister,

born: Willenhall, abt 1896 (census).
Died 2/11/1930 at 229 Tettenhall Rd, leaving £8215-9-2d.[4]
Was not strong and never married. His will of 3/1/1925 described him as a furniture dealer of Tettenhall Rd, Wolverhampton and appointed AJ Parkes and a solicitor as executors. He left the capital in trust, the income to go to his mother Sarah for her life, and after her death to his sister, Gladys. After Gladys' death the residue should have reverted to his other sister, Ethel but she predeceased Gladys.
It appeared that the capital became part of Gladys' estate on her death in 1963.
Referred to as "Bill" in many letters of condolence - obviously much liked. Also a member of the Rugby Club. Many of the letters referred to the suddenness of his death, and how much he was liked. I think this was reflected in his niece, Rosemary Parkes memory of him.

 

Details of SAMUEL LISTER:


Birth Certificate: Wolverhampton 6B 419, 9/1856
Born at Portobello, Willenhall, 8/8/1856, reg 26/8/1856
Father: William, a Coalminer. Mother Martha, formerly Roper.

Marriage Certificate:
Samuel Lister/Sarah Palmer: Wolverhampton 6b 908, 12/1881.
Married 26/12/1881 at Parish Ch, St John, W'ton. 
Samuel L, age 25, Bachelor, of Paradise St. Occupation: Miner.
Father: William Lister, a Charter-master.
Sarah Palmer, age 24, Spinster, of Paradise St.
Father: David Palmer, Bolt-maker.
Witnesses: John Lister & Emily Edwards.

1861 Census, Portobello:
With parents: Samuel (4, Portobello):
1871 Census, Mill St, Willenhall: with family
1881 (mar cert): a miner @ Paradise St, Wolverhampton.
1881 Census, Chester Rd, Ogley Hay, Brownhills:
Samuel Lester, Lodger 24, Miner (born Portobello). In the house of a Robert Preece, whose children were born in Willenhall. Another lodger was Leonard Davis, also a miner from Willenhall.
1885 Ethel’s BC: @ 15 Lower Lichfield St, Commission Agent.
1891 Census, @ 15, Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall:
Samuel (34, Commission Agent), Sarah (34), Ethel (5), Gladys (6 mths) and a servant, Hannah Lloyd (niece, 16) all born Willenhall.
1892 Kelly's directory: Tea & furniture dealer, 15 Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall.
1901 Census, Bank St, Willenhall: (all b Willenhall)
Samuel Lister (Hd, 44, Furniture Dealer, Employer), Sarah (44), Ethel (15, Pupil School Teacher), Gladys (10), Howard F. (5)
1911 Census, 7 Thompson St, Willenhall:
Samuel Lister (Hd, 54, married 20, 3 children born & alive, Furniture Dealer, Willenhall), Sarah (54), Ethel (Dau, 25, Assistant Teacher Salop CC), Gladys (Dau, 20, Assistant Teacher Salop CC).
1915: of The Manor, Willenhall, House Furnisher.

Prob 18/4/1923, Lichfield to Howard Frank Lister, furniture dealer & Reginald Harris solicitor, £9459-19-3d.
Will of 8/2/1922 appointed Howard Lister, AJ Parkes & Reginald Harris (solicitor of Willenhall) as Executors.

Legacies:
Furniture and household effects to Sarah Lister.
Fifty pounds to his assistant Charles Henry Smith.
An annuity of one hundred pounds to Gladys until the death of Sarah.

The remainder after expenses and duty to be invested and the income (including rents etc from properties) to be for his wife, Sarah's use until her death. After her death, this trust fund to become the property of his children.



 

6.         ********************** GENERATION 6 **********************



WILLIAM LISTER - 1827

AM06/13


The father of Samuel Lister.
Definitive Sources: PR/MC/DC & Census backs up PR.

Ch[5]: 14/1/1827 @ St Leonard, Broseley. PR chkd. 
Parents: Thomas & Ann (Bradley) Lister.
Died1,9: 24/12/1884, Willenhall, aged 59, Miner, Died from Apoplexy, not from violence, Coroner's inquest, 27/12/1884 by Staffordshire coroner, BW? Phillips. (copy probably in Walsall).
Bur with Martha in Little London Baptist Chapel, Willenhall.
No will found.

Married[6]: 12/11/1848 Martha Roper.

Express and Star, Saturday 27 December 1884:[7]
Sudden Death at Willenhall.
A man named William Lister (age unreadable) residing in Willenhall died suddenly on Friday morning. The deceased went to bed the night previous apparently in good health. The cause is supposed to be apoplexy.

A coal miner in Portobello & Willenhall. Little else is known, although there is an entry in the Trade Directory for a William Lister as a publican in Willenhall: bearing in mind that his father had a pub in later life, this might be our William. He was described in Census 1881 as a miner and at Samuel's marriage as a Charter Master - this was the title for the gang boss of the labour in the mines. The charter master employed the other miners as a contractor. His death from apoplexy not violence suggests someone known for being rowdy!

See under father's entry for comments about the coal industry in the area.

1841 Oxford St, W'ton with parents, coal miner aged 15.
1848 (Mar. cert): over 21 and a miner living in Portobello,
1851 Census, New Village, Bilston:
William Lester (24, Coal Miner, Shropshire), Martha (27, Shropshire).
1856 (Sam L Bth): a miner in Portobello.
1861 Census, Portobello:
William (34, Miner, Broseley), Martha (37, Broseley), Mora (dau, 7, Portobello), Samuel (s, 4, Portobello), John (s, 1, Portobello), James Lister (19, servant).
1871 Census, Mill St Willenhall:
William (45, Coal Miner), Martha (48), Mira (17), Samuel (14, Coal Miner), John (11), Jonas Abraham (10), Sarah (8),
1881 (Samuel's  marriage.): A Charter Master.

1864 Trade Dir - was this him?
William Lister, Old Malt Shovel P.H., High St Portobello.

1881 Census, 15, Clemson St, Willenhall: Lester
William (58, Coal Miner, Portobello), Martha (58, Broseley), John (21, Smith, Portobello), Jonas (20, Portobello), Sarah (18, Portobello).
Also at this address (b Willenhall):
Ebeneezer Lloyd (30, lockmaker), Nora (wf, 26, Portobello), Clara (5), Arthur (4), William (3), Daniel (11mths)

Marriage: William Lister/Martha Roper, W'ton XVII 437, 12/48. 
Marriage Certificate shows:
Married 12/11/1848 at the Collegiate Church, W'ton.  William Lister, full age, Bachelor, a miner, of Portobello and Martha Roper, full age, spinster of Portobello. His father Thomas, a miner.
Her father: Timothy. deceased.
Witnesses: T. Wolding & J Biddulph.


MARTHA ROPER - 1822

AM06/14


The mother of Samuel Lister.
Definitive Sources: PR/MC/DC & Census backs up PR.

She is the most likely spouse for William Lister: they were both born and raised in Broseley. There is some doubt about her siblings, see her parents entry, which show a gap between their later children and an earlier group christened in the Anglican church: this may have been due to them having to "register" the birth under the Protestant church.

Ch2PR: 26/6/1822 @ Birch Meadow Baptist Chapel, Broseley. "#30, Broseley" PR transcript.
(Census61: born 5/1823-4/24, C71,81 & 91 imply after 2/4/1822 DC show a slightly lower age). On balance, the 1822 Broseley baptism looks correct.

Parents: Timothy & Mary Roper.

Died:
Martha Lester, 07/09/1900, 76, 87 Union St, Willenhall, Widow of William Lester, Coal Miner, Senile Decay, Informant William Lester Lloyd, 87 Union St, Willenhall, Wolverhampton 1900 Q3 06b 398

Married: William Lister 12/11/1848 @ the Collegiate Church, Wolverhampton.

1848 (marriage): over 21 living in Portobello, Willenhall.
1851 Bilston.
1861 Census: age 37 (b. in Broseley) @ Portobello with William.
1871 Census: age 68.
1881 Census: age 58 as above.
1891 Census: 15 Clemson St, Willenhall, with daughter Mora Lloyd.
Martha Lester (68, M-in-law, Willenhall???)
This must be the family, as William & Martha were at this address in 1871.

Issue of William Lister & Martha Roper (b. Portobello):
1/1. Mora Lister, Born 1854 (census).

Variously know as Mora, Mira and Nora on census.
Married Ebeneezer Lloyd (b 1853, Willenhall).
1881 Census, 15, Clemson St, Willenhall: Lester
William (58, Coal Miner, Portobello), et al.
Ebeneezer Lloyd (30, lockmaker), Nora (wf, 26, Portobello), Clara (5), Arthur (4), William (3), Daniel (11mths)
1891 Census: 15 Clemson St, Willenhall (all b Willenhall).
Ebeneezer Lloyd (38, Rimlockmaker), Nora (wf, 36), Cicely (15), Arthur (14, Assistant Boot Shop), William (13, Scholar), David (11, scholar) Martha Lester (68, M-in-law, Willenhall???)
1901 Census: 86, Union St, Willenhall. (all b. Willenhall)
Elizabeth Lloyd (Hd, wid, 46, Clothier), Cicely H (25), Arthur J (24, Boot Salesman), William G. (23, Factor Warehouseman), Daniel V (20, Clerk at Stone Quarry).
Mora must have died after 1891, Ebeneezer then remarried and died before 1901. The issue are all listed as Elizabeth's children. The alternative is that Elizabeth & Mora/Nora are the same person – the ages fit.
2/1. Cicely Lloyd, abt 1876
2/2. Arthur Lloyd, abt 1877
2/3. William G. Lloyd, abt 1878
2/4. Daniel V. Lloyd, abt 1880

1/2. Samuel Lister, Born 8/8/1856.  AM05/07
1/3. John Lister, Born 1860. Nil 1901

1881 with parents
1891 Census: 86, Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall. All b Willenhall.
John (31, Assurance agent), Martha (wf, 26, Milliner), William (6 scholar), Lily (4), Edith (2), Martha (1).
1901 Census, 2 Froysell St, Willenhall:
John (41, Draper), Martha (wf, 35,), William (16, Assistant Draper) Lilly (14), Edith (12), Martha (11), Doris (3).
1911 Census, Froysell St, Willenhall, 5 rooms, all b Willenhall.
John Lister (HD, 51, Married 27 yrs, 6 ch born alive, 5 living, Draper, Clothier etc, on own account), Martha Jane (wife, 48), William (son, 26, Drapers Assistant) Edith (dau, 22), Martha (dau, 21), Doris (13,

A Martha J. Lister witnessed Sarah's will 1930, of Froysell St, Willenhall. Probably Mrs John Lister.
2/1. William Lister, abt 1885.
2/2. Lilly Lister, abt 1887.
2/3. Edith Lister, abt 1889.
2/4. Martha Lister, abt 1890.
2/5. Doris Lister, abt 1898.

1/4. Jonas Abraham Lister, Born 1861.

1881, 71 with parents.
1891 Census, 107 Wood St, Jonas 30 (Coal Dealer & Grocer), Clara (26) John (2), Francis Tunnicliffe, Servant (14)
1901 Census, 77 Wood St, Willenhall (all b. Willenhall):
Jonas Lister (40, Insurance Agent), Clara (37), John (12, scholar), Samuel (8, scholar), William (5, scholar), Norman (1), Myma Kynaston (boarder, wid, 33), George Kynaston (nephew, 4, America).
1911 Census, 8 Stringer Lane, Willenhall, 5 rooms, Listers born Willenhall, all “workers”. Signed as Jonas Abram
Jonas A Lister (Hd, 50, married 24 years, 4 born alive, 4 living, keysmith), Clara (wf, 46), John (son, 22, Groom), Samuel (son, 19, Caster), William (son, 16, bootmaker assistant), Norman (son, 12) 2 Boarders Samuel (56) & Bert Green (13)
Married, St Anne’s Willenhall, 7/3/1887, he a coal dealer of 37 Wood St, aged 26, father William (dec, Miner), Clara Webb, 22, spin, Newhall St, father Joseph Webb (dec, Miner) by Banns[8]
Issue, ch St Anne’s, Willenhall where shown[9]:
2/1. John Lister, ch. 26/10/1888, Stingers Lane, Coal Dealer.
2/2. Samuel Lister, ch. 2/3/1893, 20 Mill St, Key Manufacturer.
2/3. William Harold Lister, ch 13/2/1896, 30 Union St, Coal Dealer.
2/4. Jonas Abraham Lister, ch 23/7/1899, 71 Wood St, Insurance Agent.
2/5. Norman Lister, born abt 1900.

1/5. Sarah Lister, Born 1863.


DAVID PALMER - 1814

AM06/15


Definitive Sources: PR/MC/DC/Census.

The father of Sarah Palmer. Little is known of David Palmer, except for his being a lockmaker in Willenhall. His birth and parents names are speculative, see below under John Palmer.

IGI/PR:
Ch[10]: 2/10/1814 @ St Mary, Enville, Staffordshire.  (PR chkd).
Parents: John & Mary Palmer. (re father's initial at marriage & age).
Died[11]: 8/12/1878, 15 Church St, Willenhall, aged 64. (DC)
Married[12]: Hannah Hughes, 27/3/1843.

1840: no Palmers in Enville Tithe, but Joseph Turner & William Cooper were there.
1841 Census: no relevant David Palmers in database.
1843 (marriage): locksmith in Willenhall.
1846: Lucy Bth, Locksmith @ King St, Willenhall.

1851 Census, Willenhall (this looks like the family in spite of ages of David & Hannah):
David Palmer (25, Locksmith, Shropshire), Hannah (25, Wellington), Hannah (7, scholar, Willenhall), Lucy (5, Willenhall), Matilda (3, Willenhall), David (6mths, Willenhall)

1856 (Sarah Bth): Locksmith @ Church St, Willenhall. 

1861 Census, Church St, Willenhall:
David (46, Lockmaker's Jouneyman, Envil), Hannah (40, Wellington), Harriet (17), Lucy (15), Matilda (scholar 13), David (scholar 11), Catherine (scholar 9), Eliza (scholar 7), Sarah (scholar 5), Eleanor (2), Mary Jane (3 mths).

1871 Census, Church St, Willenhall
David (56, Widower, Rimlockmaker, Envil), Catherine (Schoolmistress, 19), Jane (10) & James (7).
1881 (Sarah P Mar.): A Boltmaker, @ Paradise St, W'ton (?).

No Palmers in Envil 1861 (1851 illegible)

Also in Willenhall was William Palmer, the date is right for him to be the William Palmer born in Enville 1803, but his place of birth is consistently Worcester:
1835: Trade Directory of Willenhall: William Palmer, rim lock maker, Stafford Street.
1841 Census, Union St. Willenhall:
William Palmer (35, Lock M, Y), Mary (35, Y), Antony Cassery (10mths, N).
1851 Wolverhampton Directory, Willenhall Union St:
William Palmer, Iron Rim lock Manufacturer.
1864 Trade Dir: William Palmer, Rimlockmaker, Union St, Willenhall.
1861 Census, Union St, Willenhall:
William Palmer (59, Locksmith, Worcester), Mary (55, Willenhall), Mercy (13, Scholar, Willenhall).
1871 Census, 15 Union St, Willenhall:
William Palmer (70, Rim Lock Maker, Worcester), Mary (65, Willenhall).



Enville 1852.

Marriage Certificate: Wolverhampton 17 296, 3/1843.
Married by banns @ the Collegiate Church, Wolverhampton 27/3/1843.
David Palmer, full age, Bachelor, Locksmith, res Willenhall, father: J Palmer, dead.
Hannah Hughes, full age, Spinster, of Willenhall, father J Hughes, farmer.
Witnesses: J Bidulph & J Perkins (D & H illiterate). (MC)


HANNAH HUGHES

AM06/16

The mother of Sarah Palmer.

Definitive Sources: PR/MC/DC/Census.
The connection of her supposed parents is a bit speculative, but seems reasonable:

Ch[13]: 7/5/1820, Wrockwardine.
Parents: John & Ann Hughes.
Died[14]: 21/12/1865, Church St, Willenhall, aged 42. (DC)

The most likely from IGI and other data is:
Ann Hughes C: 7 May 1820 - PR checked.
Parents: John Hughes & Ann, of "Lea", a labourer.
Wrockwardine, Shropshire, England.
Wrockwardine is the next parish West of Wellington.

a) Ann and Hannah seem to be synonymous.
b) Her father, "J. Hughes", a farmer at her marriage in 1843.
c) John became a farmer of 21 acres by 1842 (tithe apportionments)
d) John from Lea died in Bilston, but buried Wrockwardine.
e) Census61 data shows born 1820/1, Wellington, Shropshire.

The Non-conformist registers for this date are not available at Shrewsbury.

Wellington transcript chkd, but probably not too reliable - all PR held at church (5/98) - original checked, but none found.

1841: not with family in Wrockwardine.
1843, marriage: Resident in Willenhall
1856 (Sarah Bth): @ Church St, Willenhall.
1861 Census: @ Church St with family.

Issue of David Palmer & Hannah Hughes (all b @ Willenhall re Census):
1/1. Harriet Palmer, born 1844.
1/2. Lucy Palmer, B. 26/2/1846 King St. Willenhall (BC)

D. 10/2/1916, 86 Salop St. Dudley
1861 Census, with family.
Married William Wildgoose B. 29/7/1842 Tutbury Staffs, 31/10/1864 at the Wesleyan Methodise Chapel Willenhall
A file cutter in lock industry.
D. 12.12.1901 in Crocketts St. Dudley
This line provided by Dorothy (Wildgoose) Hickman, 7/2006.
Most of this family still live in Gornal area.
2/1. Harriet Matilda Wildgoose B. 31.5.1869 Coseley

D. 17.11.1870 Dudley St. Bilston.

2/2. Lawrence William Wildgoose B. 1871 Bilston.
2/3. Fredrick Wildgoose B. 2.3.1874 27 Broad St. Sedgley

D. 15.7.1953 67 Merridale St. Wolverhampton), A bootmaker.
Married Mary Blakeway, 19.12.1896 at the Registry Office Dudley.
3/1. Gladys Hilda Wildgoose (B. 25.5.1897 Upper Gornal Staffs.)
3/2. Mary Elizabeth Wildgoose B 27.8.1899, 40 The Inhedge Upper Gornal
3/3. John Wildgoose (B.22.7.1901 The Inhedge Upper Gornal

married Mary Elizabeth Hyde(Mother) on the 26th Dec.1926 St. Peter’s Upper Gornal, A fitter & turner.
D. 20.7.1975 at 52 Kettles Bank Rd Gornal Wood West Midlands.)
All issue still live in Gornal and the surrounding areas except Kathleen who lives in Melbourne Australia.
4/1. Molly (Mary) Wildgoose,  B.26.6.1928 in Lower Gornal

M. Bertram Bennett on 17.12.1049 at the Wesleyan Methodist Church Gornal Wood. And they had 5 children.

4/2. Jean Elizabeth Wildgoose,  B.13.4.1930 in Lower Gornal

D.5.1.2003 in Wordsley Hosp. Wordsley
M. Richard Skidmore at St James’s Church Lower Gornal, and they had no children

4/3. John Frederick Wildgoose, 

B.17.7.1932 in Upper Gornal
M. Beatrice Heath on the 19.3.1955 at Dudley Registrar
6 children.

4/4. Kathleen Wildgoose, B.8.6.1935 in Lower Gornal

M. Ivor Jansz on 4.2. 1956 at St. James’s Lower Gornal
4 children. Resident Melbourne, Australia 7/2006.

4/5. Dorothy Suzanne Wildgoose, B. 25.5.1940 in Gornal Wood

Who provided this line.
M. Donald Hickman 26.3.1960 at Dudley Registrar.
5/1. Stuart Hickman, B. 21.10.1960 M. Margaret Williams

6/1. Adam Hickman, (B 17.6.1979)
6/2. Daniel Hickman, B. 5.5.1993

5/2. Mark Hickman, B. 14.10.1961, M. Tracey Burns.

6/1. Joseph Hickman, (B 13.8.1992).

5/3. Allan Hickman, B.4.10.1965, M. Wendy Smith

6/1. David Hickman, (B.10.8.2005)

5/4. Janette Hickman, B.19.10.1967, M. Mark Bonaccorsi

no children. Mark died suddenly after 9mths of marriage.

4/6. Maureen Wildgoose,  (B.22.1.1944 in Gornal Wood}

M. Terence Pearson, 7.10.1961, St. Francis’s Church Dudley. 6 children,

3/4.Florence Matilda Wildgoose,

(B.17.2.1905 39 The Inhedge Upper Gornal  D.11.5.1956 at 107 Tipton Rd. Sedgley.

2/4. Emily Gertrude Wildgoose, 

(B.29.5.1876 9 Bank Rd. Roseville Coseley D. 25.7.1880 51 Addison St. Wednesbury).

2/5. Albert Hughes Wildgoose,

(B. 7.9.1883 37 Trinity St. Oldbury D. 26.12.1889 7 Crockett St. Dudley.)

2/6. Edith Ellen Wildgoose,

(B.23.7.1878 8 Raglan St. Willenhall. D. 12.8. 51 Addison St. Wednesbury)

1/3. Matilda Palmer, born 1848

1871 Census, Russell St, Willenhall (all b Willenhall, ex William)
William Baker (27, Locksmith, Tamworth), Matilda (23, Milliner), Florence S (2), Ellener Palmer (sister-in-law, 12, servant).
1878: William Baker informant to David Palmer’s death, of 14 Riley St, Willenhall.

1881 Census, 98 New Hall St, Willenhall (all b Willenhall ex William)
William Baker (37, Assurance agent, Locksmith, Tamworth), Matilda (33), Florence Sarah (12, Scholar), Frederick Hughie (6, Scholar), James Thomas Palmer (b-in-law, 18, locksmith).
1891 Census, 49, Bearswood Hill, Harbourne, B'ham:
William Baker (47, Assurance superintendent), Matilda (43), Frederick R.H. (16, elementary teacher), John Cartwright (visitor, 25, elementary teacher).
1901 Census, 33 Prescott? Rd, Walsall:
William Baker (57, Assurance superintendent), Matilda (53)
2/1. Florence Sarah Baker, 1869.
2/2. Frederick Hughie Baker, 1875.

1/4. David Palmer, born 1850. No census record 1871.
1/5. Catherine Palmer, born 1852.
1/6. Eliza Palmer, born 1854.
1/7. Sarah Palmer, born 1/10/1856.
1/8. Eleanor Palmer, born 1859 – with sister Matilda in 1871.
1/9. Mary Jane Palmer, born 1861.

1881 Census, 42, Walsall Rd, Willenhall - possibly her:
Jane Palmer, (19, Gen Servant, Willenhall), Edward Edwards head.

1/10. James Thomas Palmer, born 1864.

1881 with sister Matilda.
1891 Census, 16, Lower Lichfield St, Willenhall:
James Palmer (27, Brass Padlock Maker, Willenhall), Ann (27, W'hall), Fred (3 mths, W'hall)
1901 Census, 22 Riley St, Willenhall:
James Palmer (37, Electrical Fitter), Ann (37), Fred (10), Sammi? (5), Bert (<12mths).
Married Ann Elton (ref email Liz Freeman 7/08).
2/1. Fred Palmer, abt 1890.
2/2. Sammi (Minnie) Palmer, abt 1896.
2/3. Bert Palmer, ch St Anne’s Willenhall, 3/5/1900, Riley St, Brass Dresser[15].





 

7.         ********************** GENERATION 7 **********************

 

THOMAS LISTER - 1803

AM07/25


The father of William Lister.
Definitive Sources: PR, Census, DC’s.

Ch2: 9/10/1803PR @ St Leonard, Broseley.
(C61: 5/1805-4/06 C51:5/01-4/02).
Parents: Base son of Elizabeth (Lister), no father given, and.

This looks to be the correct individual, there is a certain amount of variability in his quoted age in the census's and his gravestone, but there do not appear to be any other Thomas Listers in Shropshire of anywhere near the right age.

Buried: Wood St Cemy, Willenhall, with Ann and dau Mary.
MI Wood St Cemetary, Willenhall:
"In Memory of Thomas Lister who died December 31 1872 aged 71 years. Also Ann his wife who died March 20 1883. Also daughter Mary."
(transcribed by Lynn (Tonks) Spearing: almost illegible 12/2000 - very sad and rundown).
DC W'ton 1873 Q1 6b 387, age 60 is this right??
DC: 31/12/1872, age 60 (should be 70/1), of Portobello, Willenhall, Coal Miner, Fatty degeneration of the Heart 4 years, informant Eliza Passant (her mark). Wolverhampton, 1873 Q1 06b 387, 2/1/1873.

Thomas Lister was a miner, born in Broseley, Shropshire, an early industrial area, and worked in the local mines. Broseley declined in the 1820's with steel making finishing by about 1835, and the mines reducing. He seems to have moved to the newer pits in the Wolverhampton/ Willenhall area between 1831-33: these pits remained active until the mid 20thC: pit mounds were still there in the 1950's. His sons followed him down the pits. In 1861 he was described as a coal & stone miner: a reference to iron ore mining. His daughter, Hannah married John Hastelow, who eventually moved to the Doncaster area with most of his sons: the South Staffordshire coal miners were seen as expert miners as the Yorkshire mines opened up.

It is probable that Thomas and Ann moved from Broseley before 1841, first to Wolverhampton and then in the 1850's to Portobello.

This is probably him[16]:
"1830 - Inquisition into sudden death of Ann Lister. January 21st 1830 at Broseley before John Davis, coroner, and upon the oaths of Thomas Blakeway, Thomas Poole, Bacheus Aston, John Bradley, Francis Everall, Samuel Matthews, Robert Ankers, Richard Howes, James Woodruff, Henry Wilcox, Thomas Rogers, John Smith, Richard Poole, Joseph Collins, John Garbett, John Lloyd and Alexander Hartshorne. It was decided that Ann Lister died accidentally at the house of her father, Thomas Lister, when her clothes caught fire.

2/ Witness statements from:

Sarah Reeves, single woman of Broseley, who said that at 7 o'clock on MOnday she saw a blaze through the window of Thomas Lister's house and went up the stairswhere she saw John Jones with his flannel frock over Ann Lister, a child of about 4, the fire was blazing from under the frock. The witness wrapped a blanket round the child but she was badly burned and died at 3am

John Jones, coal miner of Broseley, said he was minding the pigs at Mr Pugh's when he saw a light at Thomas Lister's room and realised it was on fire. He ran to the house and went up stairs. Ann Lister came running to him in flames and he wrapped her in his flannel frock. It was the early part of the night.

3/

Summons to the constables of Broseley, Benthall and Madeley to attend the inquest to be held at the house of Charles Jones, The Maypole Inn, Broseley."

Probate Index: Thomas Lister 25 November 1873. The Will of Thomas Lister late of the “Cock” Inn Portobello in the Parish of Willenhall in the County of Stafford Butty Miner and Beer Seller who died 31 December 1872 at Portobello was proved at Lichfield by Hamlet Maitland of 91 Stafford Street Dudley in the County of Worcester Glass Painter one of the Executors.

This Cock Inn was probably on High Street, Portobello, now the A454 Willenhall Rd. Probably about opposite the site of the 1950’s Union Locks Portobello factory.

Will:
Thomas Lister Royalty master Butty Miner and beer Seller of the Cock Inn, Portobello...was made 6th January 1869...
Wife Ann to have all for life and then split between his children.
...lists his children: William, George, John, Jacob Lister Eliza the wife of Thomas Passant of Portobello miner and Hannah the wife of John Hastelow of Portobello Miner my partner in the aforesaid Collieries
Leaves:
... the interest I may have at my decease in the Willingshall Open Works Collieries under messrs Harper and Company Albion Works Willenhall... also all interest I may have in two pits and other effects situate at the Lunts Collieries near Bilston... that plot of land situate at Moseley Hole adjoining to land of Mr John Fishers and William Bills

What the connection with Hamlet Maitland in Dudley is difficult to imagine, particularly as Hamlet Maitland appears to have been a skilled craftsman, while Thomas Lister was probably unskilled!

1871 Census, 91 Stafford St, Dudley:
Hamlet Maitland (Hd, 57, Glass Decorator, Hanley Staffordshire Potteries), Mary (50, Glass Burnisher, Hanley), Thomas (son, 23, Glass Gilder, Hanley).

Internet search a forum message from 2008:
“My husband is a direct descendant of Hamlet Maitland, born 1821, married Mary Hackney in Hanley. Moved to Dudley in 1850s, and died in 1867. I would love to go further with Hamlet, but have drawn a blank. Any help anyone?”[17]


Organisation / Butty system[18]
During the early part of the nineteenth century, the coal miners were not directly employed by the owners but by a contractor, called a "Butty". He engaged with the mine owner to deliver coal or ironstone at so much per ton. He employed the labourers required using his own horses and tools. After the 1872 Coal Mines Act the ‘Butty’ system disappeared.
Miners were normally employed by chartermasters, who were a kind of labour sub contractor to the mine owner. This system was often abused causing great hardship to the miners. For example, chartermasters often owned "tommy shops" where miners under their employment were required to buy their goods, often at inflated prices for poor quality products.

Beer Houses:[19]
In the late 17th century, and early 18th century, spirits, mainly gin, were available very cheaply. This led to a lot of drunkenness throughout the country, and so parliament decided to pass the 1830 Beer House Act as a way of providing the population with a less intoxicating drink, at an affordable price. Under the terms of the act, any householder who paid tax could apply for a licence, which would be given on the payment of 2 guineas. Anyone possessing a licence could open a public house or a beer house, and sell beer, but not spirits, or fortified wines.

An extra licence to sell cider cost just 1 guinea. Anyone selling spirits or fortified wines would loose their licence. Beer houses were usually family homes, where beer was sold in the front room, or sometimes shops. They were scattered throughout the town.
By 1842 Willenhall had 21 beer houses and 29 pubs. Ten years later the number of pubs had increased to 38. The pubs became an essential part of the working man’s life, especially after a hard day in the factory.


Married2: Ann Bradley 20/4/1823 @ St Leonard, Broseley, by Banns, both OTP, witness Elizabeth Kelsy, John Geary (C/warden??) (PR)

The LDS Ancestral File shows possible family ending up in USA, progeny of John Lister born Willenhall 8/1837.

1824-32 (births): a collier in Broseley
1834: 2 Thomas Listers listed in Electoral List:
     a) freehold house, High St Broseley
     b) freehold house & Garden & Malthouse, Broseley.
1834: Thomas a miner of Wolverhampton.
1838: a miner of Wolverhampton.
1841 Broseley, Thomas Lister 40, Wine Merchant. yes.
1841: Thomas a miner of Oxford St.
1841 Census, Oxford St, W'ton:
Thomas Lester (40 Coal Miner, N), Ann (40, N), Eliza (15, N), William (15, CM, N), Samuel (10, CM, N), George (8, CM, Y), Thomas (7, CM, Y), Amy (5, Y), John (4, Y), Abraham (3, Y).
1848 (William's Mar): a miner (prob in Portobello)

1851 Census, High St Portobello:
Thomas (49, a coal miner, Broseley), Ann (45, Broseley), Thomas (s, 21, Coalminer, Broseley), Hannah (16), John (Coal Miner, 14), Abraham (12, Coal Miner), Jacob (10, Scholar) all W'ton ex noted.

1861 Census, Portobello:
Thomas (55, a coal & stone miner, Broseley), Ann (53, Broseley), Thomas (s, 30, Coalminer, Broseley), Jacob (s, 20, Coalminer, W'ton), Samuel (g/son, 12, coalminer, Portobello) and Hannah (g/dau, 8, Portobello).

In later years kept the Cock Inn, High St Portobello.

1864 Trade Dir: Thomas Lister, Beer retailer, High St Portobello.
1871 Census, High St, Willenhall, Cock Inn:
Thomas (68, Coal Miner & Publican), Ann (67, Bushbury, Staffs - poss misunderstanding), Elizabeth (15, g/dau, servant, Portobello), Abraham (6, g/son, servant, Willenhall).

1881 Census, High St Willenhall, Cock Inn:
Ann (78, Widow), Thomas Passent (52, s-in-law, colliery labourer Shrewsbury), Eliza Passent (55, dau), Abraham Lister (g/son, 16, Locksmith, Portobello).

1881 Census, High St Broseley:
John CW Lister (wine merchant, W'ton, 39) + family - prob not ours.

Poss, but too young:
Ch: 14/2/1808 @ St Leonard, Broseley. (Census61: born 5/1805-4/06).
Parents: William & Elizabeth.
Siblings: Sarah (22/9/1810 & 30/6/1810)

London Gazette, 19 June 1849, Iss 20989, p1967:
...By indenture dated 8 May, William Smith of Much Wenlock )deeds) over to John Sanderson Thomas of Redcliff Street, Bristol and Thomas Lister, of Broseley, wine merchant all his estate on trust for themselves and his creditors...
This is probably another Thomas Lister.

1828 Directory (also in Piggot’s 1828-9):
Broseley, John Lister & Sons, Hope & Seed Merchant.
Also as a maltster.
1835: Thomas Lister, of Broseley, maltster & wine and spirit merchant.

ANN BRADLEY - 1806

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Definitive Sources: PR, Census, DC’s.

Born: C51: Broseley 5/05-4/06 or C61: 5/07-4/08.
Ch[20]: 31/8/1806, St Leonard Broseley
Parents: John & Ann (Lyster) Bradley.
This is the most likely candidate, her ages in the census vary, but agree rougly.
Married2: Thomas Lister 20/4/1823 @ St Leonard, Broseley (PR)
Died1: 20/3/1883 @ High St Willenhall aged 78 (wid of Thomas, coalminer) Erysipalis 5 days. Informant, Eliza Passant, dau (mark of).
1861 Census, Portobello:
Ann (53, Broseley) with family.

Issue (ch @ St Leonard, PR & Census)
1/12. Eliza Lister, born 7/3/1824 or 3/4/1826.


The above date comes from available records, but a cup found in the Maitland Dower House collection has “Elizabeth Lister born April 3rd 1826” in gold lettering.
This date agrees with Elizabeth Lister’s stated ages on the census returns.
Perhaps Eliza (1824) was an earlier daughter who died early?

Informant at mother's death.
She appears to have married Thomas Thomas Passent as his second wife – they were together in the Census of 1881.
Census 1871: 25, Leabrook Rd, Wednesbury:
Thomas Passant (41, miner, Salop, Pontesbury), Mary (44, wf Pontesbury) + Harriot (18, W'ton), Alfred (16, W'ton), Charlotte (14, W'ton), Thomas (10, Scholar, Willenhall), William (7, Codsall), John (5, Bloxwich).
Were these the same Thomas Passant: looks the same.
1881 Census, High St Willenhall, Cock Inn:
Ann Lister (78, Widow), Thomas Passent (52, son-in-law, colliery labourer, Shrewsbury), Eliza Passent (55, dau), Abraham Lister (g/son, 16, Locksmith, Portobello).
Issue probably of Thomas & Mary Passant:
2/1. Harriot Passant, b abt 1853, W’ton
2/2. Alfred Passant, b abt 1855, W’ton
2/3. Charlotte Passant, b abt 1857, W’ton
2/4. Thomas Passant, b abt 1861, Willenhall
2/5. William Passant, b abt 1874, Codsall
2/6. John Passant, b abt 1866, Bloxwich.

1/22. Ann Lister, born 10/7/1825.

Prob died Jan 1830, see above.

1/32. William Lister, born 14/1/1827.
1/42. Samuel Lister, born 3/12/1828.

IGI/PR show:
Ch: 3/12/1828 @ St Leonard, Broseley. (Cen51: born 5/1829-4/30).
Married: Harriet ??? (born Stafford 1831).
1851 Census, Booth Sq, New St, Portobello:
Samuel (21, Coalminer, Broseley), Harriet (20, Staffs, W’ton) Harriet or Samuel (dau in census, 2M, Willenhall) .

Maybe him:
1861 Census, Walsall:
Samuel Lister (Hd, Wid, 37, Victualler, W’ton), Eliza (dau, 5 scholar, Portobello) + servants
1871 not found, were the children with his parents?

This is probably the Samuel Lister in 1861 Census:-
London Gazette 26 July 1864
ford, Victualler, having -been adjudged bankrupt by the

Registrar of the County Court of Staffordshire, bolden at

Stafford, attending at the County Gaol of Stafford, on tbe

llth day of July, 1864, and the adjudication being1

 directed to be prosecuted in the County Court of Staffordshire,

holden at Wolverhampton, is hereby required to surrender

himself to Charles Gallimore Brown, Esq., a Registrar of

the said last-mentioned Court, at the first meeting of

creditors to be held before the said Registrar, on the 29th

day of July instant, at twelve o'clock at noon precisely, at

the said Court. Charles Gallimore Brown, Esq., of Wolverhampton, is tbe Official Assignee

London Gazette August 19 1864:-
Samuel Lister, late of Willenhall, in the  county of Stafford, Victualler, having been adjudged bankrupt by the Registrar of the County -Court of Staffordshire, holden at Stafford, attending at the County Gaol of Stafford, on the llth day of  July, 1864, and the adjudication being directed to be prosecuted at the County Court of Staffordshire, holden at Wolverhampton, a public sitting, for the said bankrupt to pass his Last Examination, and make application for his Discharge, will be held at the said Court, at Wolverhampton, on the 29th day of September next, at twelve o'clock at noon precisely, the day last aforesaid being the day limited for the said bankrupt to surrender. The Registrar of the said Court is the Official Assignee.

Issue (b Willenhall):
2/1. Harriet Lister, born 1849.

1/52. Thomas Lister, born 31/10/1830.

Possibly a beer retailer, High St, Portobello, 1864.
1861 Census, with parents.
1871/81 not found.
Assumed Issue (no other sibling fits the bill! from 1871 & 1881 censuses):
2/1. Elizabeth Lister, b abt 1856
2/2. Abraham Lister, b abt 1865.

With Grandmother Ann Lister, 1881, see under Aunt Eliza above.

1/62. George Lister.

IGI/PR show:
Ch: 2/9/1932 @ St Leonard, Broseley. (Cen61: born 5/1832-4/33).
Died: 28/4/1905, bur Bentley Cemetary 3/5/1905.
Referred to as Willenhall strongman.
Married: Mary ??? (b. Dudley 1831-3).

Research on this Lister line has been given to me by Lynn (Tonks) Spearing, 12/2000, and transcribed:
   "All the Listers and their families still live in and around the Willenhall area, only one of Isaac's sons left Willenhall around the 1950's to live in Halifax he ran a carpet business I think it was Jacob. My mother remembers American relatives coming over to visit in the early 50's two of the cousins were named Irene and Clarice the same as my mother and her sister.
   The family also has "other links" with your Parkes line. Over the last 50 years most of the Lister family has worked at Josiah Parkes Portobello, my uncle John Lister recently retired after nearly 50 years.
   I was working there myself in the late 1960's and remember your grandfather AJ Parkes he was in a wheelchair at that time, I also remember Mr. Egar, Mr. Fryer and Mr. Maitland, would he have been your father?
   Most of the younger members of the family are still working at the Portobello works, I have very fond memories of the place I had a good job there and it was an excellent place to work and I enjoyed my time there until I married in 1971 and moved to Cyprus for three years as Allan was in the army at the time. Our son Simon was born out there in 1973 our daughter Lisa was born three years later back in the UK.
   A coal miner of some repute for his strength and endurance. Reputed to have fathered 35 children. A good write up of his feats was published in a local paper about 1984. Married Ann (1853-1918) later in life."

Both he and son Isaac went to Yorkshire to work in the Wakefield mines in 1891.

1851 Census, New St, Portobello:
George (19, iron miner, Broseley), Mary (20, Dudley), Thomas (s, 3 mths, Willenhall).
1861 Census, Portobello: (now Lister)
George (28, iron miner, Broseley), Mary (28, Dudley), Mary Ann (d, 9, Willenhall).  Abraham (s, 5, W'hall), Isaac (3 mths, W'hall) Thomas probably dead.
1871 Albion St, Willenhall (all b Portobello exc parents):
This must be the same family in spite of disparity in ages, he they were next door to brother John. It looks as though Mary Ann was written down twice as Mary Ann & Ann.
George (46, miner coal, Broseley), Mary (42, Dudley), Isaac (15, miner coal) Elizabeth (10) Naney (8) Mary Ann (19) Ann (19) Eliza (14), Jacob (6)
1881 Census, 15, Shepwell Green, Willenhall:
George Lester (47, Coal Miner, Broseley), Ann (wf, 28, Dudley), Isaac (son, Coal Miner, 22, Portobello), Elizabeth (20, Portobello), Jacob (16, Bondsman, Portobello), Abraham (10, scholar, Willenhall), George (7, scholar, Bilston), Alice (5, Bilston), Eliza (4, Bilston), William (1, Bradley).
1891 Census Bailey’s buildings, Eastmoor, Wakefield, Yorks:
George Lister (58, Coalminer), Ann (36), Abraham (21, Coalminer), George (18, coalminer) Alice (15, Millhand spinner), Eliza (14, none), William (12), Ada (10), Arthur (5) all b Staffordshire except William in Shropshire.
1901 Census Broge Pl, Willenhall:
George Lester (68, Coal Miner underground, Broseley), Ann (46, Dudley), William (22, Coal Miner under ground, Bradley), Ada (20, Varnisher in Lock Factory, Willenhall), Arthur (15, Rim lockmaker, W'hall).
Ann must be 2nd wife - ref age of Isaac and Ann! She died 1918.

Issue (b Willenhall):
2/1. Thomas Lister (1851-<'61),
2/2. Mary A. Lister (1852),
2/3. Abraham Lister (1856) died bef 1870,
2/4. Isaac Lister (1861),

1891 Census, 38, Piccadilly, Wakefield:
Isaac Lister (29, Coal Miner, Portobello), Ann (24, Willenhall), Mary (scholar, 5, Willenhall), Samuel (4, scholar, Willenhall), Isaac (2, W'hall), Elizabeth (3 mths, Yorkshire)
1901 not found.
Married Ann Gutteridge (1863-1931).
Issue:
3/1. Mary Lister, b. 1884,

married 1905 at St Giles, Willenhall, Samuel Blunt (b. 1879).
Issue:
4/1. Alice Blunt
4/2. Reg Blunt
4/3. Lily Blunt
4/4. Horace Blunt
4/5. Rose Blunt, b. 1911

Married Leonard Muir
5/1. Lawrence Muir, b 1933

6/1. Jayne Muir, b 1967, married M Gray
6/2. Helen Muir, b 1969, married Mr Rowe

4/6. George Blunt
4/7. Norman Blunt
4/8. Mary Blunt (alive 3/2007)
4/9. Eileen Blunt

3/2. Samuel Lister, b. 1886,

married 1907, St Giles, Willenhall, Harriet Wolverson.

3/3. Elizabeth Lister, b. 1888, married John Davies.

4/1. Frederick Davies, married Elsie,

5/1. Valerie Davies.

4/2. Doris Lister, married Joseph,

5/1. Pauline.  

3/4. Isaac Lister, b. 1890, married Mary ....
3/5. George Lister, b.1892, married Ethel Troth.
3/6. Frederick Lister (1895-1961),

Married Jane Williamson (1898-1971, always known as Jinny).
4/1. Irene Lister (1920-1980), (known as Reenie)

married 1st cousin William Fergusson (see below).

4/2. Frederick Lister (1922-1933).
4/3. Clarice Lister, born 17/8/1924 (living 2/2008).

Married Joseph John Henry Tonks, (1926-1976).
5/1. Lynn Tonks, b. 1951,

married 1971, Alan Spearing.
The supplier of the descendants of George Lister. Lived and worked initially in Willenhall: later moved to Polperro, Cornwall. Died 5/11/2005 after a short illness.
6/1. Simon Spearing, b. 1973, Cyprus

(father in Army). Married Samantha Richardson in 2007 (living Sheffield 2/2008)

6/2. Lisa Spearing, b. 1976,

UK. Married Richard Whitehouse abt 1997 (living Oxford 2/2008).
7/1. Hannah Whitehouse, b 2003
7/2. Sophie Whitehouse, b 2005.

5/2. Deborah Tonks, b. 1962, Willenhall.

Married David Llewellyn in 1986. Living W'ton 2008
6/1. Kyrie Llewellyn b 1986

(emails 2/2008, supplied the later information).

6/2. Shane Llewellyn, b 1990.

5/3. Stephen Tonks.

4/4. John Lister, b. 1927, married Mary Rushton.

5/1. Stephen Lister.
5/2. Karen Lister.
5/3. Dawn Lister.

4/3. Doris Lister (1930-1980), called Dot

married Frank Green.
5/1. Frank Green.
5/2. John Green.
5/3. Alison Green.
5/4. Roger Green.

4/6. June Lister, b.1935, married Alan Gittins

(d. early 1990's).
5/1. Lorraine Gittins.
5/2. Anthony Gittins.
5/2. Adrian Gittins.
5/4. Maxine Gittins.             

3/7. Jacob Lister, b. 1897, married, 1st, Alice Roberts,

2nd, Kathleen Lawless.

3/8. Alice Lister (1900-1940),

married William Fergusson, born 1897, died late 1980's.
4/1. William Fergusson (1920-2000), married Irene Lister

(1920-1980).
5/1. Jennifer Fergusson, b.1950.

3/9. Lillian Lister, b.1903,

died mid 1990's at the Blind Institute, Sedgley, where she had lived for many years, she had been blinded as a little girl by a doctor putting drops in her eyes, the doctor later committed suicide.

2/5. Eliza Lister, b 1857 (some doubt about this one)
2/6. Elizabeth Lister, b 1860
2/7. Naney Lister, b. 1863
2/8. Jacob Lister, b. 1866.
2/9. Abraham Lister, b. 1870
2/10. George Broadfield Lister, b 1874.

Married Julia Blanton
3/1. Fred Lister

4/1. Ivan Frederick Lister

5/1. Dawn Lister, M Mr Jones

2/11. Alice Lister, b. 1876 Bilston
2/12. Eliza Lister, b. 1877, Bilston
2/13. William Lister, b. 1880, Bradley.
2/14. Ada Lister, b. 1881, Willenhall.

Married Samuel Thomas.

2/15. Arthur Lister (1885, Willenhall). 1901 with parents.

1/7. Hannah Miah Lester, ch St Peter’s, Wolverhampton, 7/8/1834[21].

Married John Hastelow, miner of Portobello, Q1 1852, Wolverhampton.
4/1/1852, Wolverhampton.
JH, full age, Bach, Miner Berry St., father William Hastelow, Miner, HL 19, spin, Berry St, Thomas L, Miner.
John Hastelow in Thomas’s will. Ch 13/12/1829, Chilver Cotton, Nuneaton, of William & Sarah.
John was in Doncaster with Joseph Hastelow, in 1881, a coal miner, while Hannah et al were in Bilston. There seemed to have been a move by some to Yorkshire, when the pits there were opening up: the S Staffs miners were regarded as being experts.
Issue from census’s born in Willenhall.
2/1. John Hastleow, b abt 1853, Prob D by 1871, maybe W’ton Q1 1865.
2/2. Thomas Hastelow, b abt 1855, Married Emily. In Yorks in 1891, Miner.
2/3. Jacob Hastelow, b abt 1857. Miner, Yorkshire with wife Matilda, 1891.
2/4. George Hastelow, b abt 1859. M Harriet (b abt 1861). W’hall in 1891.
2/5. John Hastelow, ch W’hall 29/6/1866PR, of Portobello, Miner.
2/7. Eliza Hastelow, ch W’hall, 3/11/1872PR, of Portobello, charter master.

Mar William Rudge, coal miner from Tipton, in Yorks in 1891.

1/8. John Lester, ch St Peter’s, Wolverhampton, 28/8/1836[22].

1864-5 Trade Directory, John Lester, Shopkeeper of Portobello.
1861 Census, Portobello:
John Lister (25, Stone Miner, W'ton), Ann (25, Salop, Trench), William (10mths, Portobello), Charles Foster (23, Stone Miner, Broseley), David Foster (18, SM, Broseley).
1871 Census: Albion St, Willenhall.
John Lester (34, Miner Coal, W'ton), Ann (34, Salop), William John (11, Portobello), George Henry (8, Portobello), Eliza (4, Willenhall), Hannah M (2, Willenhall), Betty Ann (2mths, Willenhall).
1881/91 not found.

Ancestral File shows as descendants of Thomas & Ann Lester: John Lester (1JP7-8M)
Born: Aug 1835 Willenhall, Staffs,
Married: Ann Bailey (1JP7-9S)
Born: 27 Oct 1836 Nuselsne, Salop.
2/1. Thomas Lester (21P6-D6) Born: [1859]
2/2. Mary Ann Lester (21P6-FC)    Born: [1861]
2/3. John William Lester (1JP7-LC)

Born: May 1861 Willenhall, Staffs, Engl

2/4. George Henry Lester (1JP7-MJ)

Born: 26 Sep 1863 Willenhall, Staffs.
Married: Nellie Ward (BBTK-ZX)    Born: [1863]

2/5. Abraham Lester (1JP7-NP)

Born: 26 Oct 1865 Willenhall, Staffs.
Married: Susie Hilda Mitchel (BBTL-03)    Born: [1865]

2/6. Eliza Lester (1JP7-PV)

Born: 26 Sep 1866 Willenhall, Staffs.
Married: Claude Hamilton (BBTL-18)    Born: [1866]

2/7. Myra Hannah Lester (1JP7-Q2)

Born:  6 Sep 1869 Willenhall, Staffs.
Married: Alma Hobson (BBTL-2F)    Born: [1869]

2/8. Betsy Ann Lester (1JP7-54)

Born:  2 Feb 1871 Albion St, Willenhall, Staffs.
Married: Jesse Hobson (1JP7-4X)
Born:  8 Aug 1850 Hillhouse, Huddersfield, Yrks.
3/1.  Jesse Ver Hobson (52QW-FJ)

Born:  4 Mar 1889 Oxford, Franklin, ID
Married: Annie Sophronia Hadley (62PQ-KG) Born: 19 Sep 1891 Brigham City, B-Elder, UT

3/2. Amelia Ann Hobson (52QW-GP)

Born: 24 Dec 1891 Oxford, Franklin, ID
Married: Thomas Henry Bone (25CB-HH)
Born:  5 Jan 1890 Kaysville, Davis, UT

3/3. Herbert Eugene Hobson (5B66-SF)

Born: 31 Jul 1895 Oxford, Franklin, ID
Married: Hazel Lillian Mcneal (D2VF-62) Born: [1895]

3/4. Alice Gertrude Hobson (52QW-55)    Born: LIVING

Married: Robert Leon Paul (25TN-LT)    Born: LIVING
4/1. Marjorie Lucille Paul (52QW-B1)    Born: LIVING

Married: Raymond Roy Payne (4S4C-CL)    Born: LIVING

4/2. Roberta Lorraine Paul (52QW-C6)    Born: LIVING

Married: Lyman Weight Rothwell (5HG9-88)
Born: LIVING sp-LIVING (CZ98-NT)    Born: LIVING

4/3. Betsy Jean Paul (52QW-3S)    Born: LIVING
4/4. Robert Hobson Paul (52QW-DC)    Born: LIVING

3/5. John Reynol Hobson (52QW-J2)

Born: 21 Oct 1900 Oxford, Franklin, ID
sp-Rose Ella Johnson (21P6-3M)
4/1. Melba A.  Hobson (6DGW-WT)

Born:  6 Jan 1923 Oxford, Bannock, ID

4/2. Derril Robert Hobson (6DGW-X1)

4/3. John Harvey Hobson (6DGW-Z6)

Born: 28 Sep 1926 Oxford, Bannock, ID DKMM-WS)

4/4. Rose Ella Lorraine Hobson (6DGX-0B)
4/5. Alton J. Hobson (6DGX-1H)

sp-Betty Joyleen Salvesen (RWQB-J2)

4/6. Leah Hobson (6DGW-HR)

sp-De Wayne Madsen (6DGW-JX)

4/7. Phil Hobson (6DGX-2N)

3/6.  Althea Betsey Hobson (52QW-K7)
3/7. Edith Eliza Hobson (1S2B-VQ)

Born: 18 Aug 1908 Swan Lake, Bannock, ID
Married: Joseph Gibson Hadley (1S2B-TK)
Born: 12 Jun 1907 Ogden, Weber, UT
4/1. Kenneth Jay Hadley (5B66-FJ)
4/2. Colleen Hadley (5B66-55)

Married: Robert Lee Worley (5B66-6B)

4/3. Baby Hadley (5B66-GP) B: 10/6/1934 Ogden, Weber.
4/4. Baby Hadley (5B66-HV),B: 26/10/1936 Ogden, Weber.
4/5. Sharen Hadley (5B66-J2) B: 3/2/1938 Ogden, Weber.
4/6. Baby Hadley (5B66-LD) B: 18/6/1946 Ogden, Weber.

1/9. Abraham Lester, born Wolverhampton, ch St Peter’s 11/2/1838[23].
1/10. Isaac Lester, ch St Peter’s, W’ton, 24/11/1839, a miner.

Bur: 19/8/1840, age 9 mths, of Oxford St[24]

1/11. Jacob Lester, ch St Peter’s Wolverhampton, 4/7/1841[25], Oxford St, Miner.

1861 with parents.
1864-5 Trade Directory, Jacob Lester Grocer of Portobello.
1871 Census, High St, Willenhall:
Jacob Lester (30, Miner & grocer, Bewdley), Elizabeth (38, Knighton, Radnor), Emily Jane (5, scholar, Portobello), Mary Elizth (3, Portobello).
1881 Census, Green Hill, Codsall, Staffs:
Emily J Lester (16, housemaid, W'ton). Probably her.
MI of Wood St Cemetary, Willenhall:
"Jacob Lester of Portobello, who died July 15 1874. Age 33 years. Also Mary Elizabeth daughter of the above Jacob and Elizabeth Lester Who departed this life May 17 1879 aged 11 years and 6 months."
Issue of Jacob & Elizabeth Lester:
2/1. Emily Jane Lester, born abt 1866, Portobello.
2/2. Mary Elizabeth Lester, born abt Dec 1867, died 17/5/1879.

1/12. Martha Lester, ch Wolverhampton, 10/10/1843, of Oxford St.

Martha Lester bur St George’s, 19/10/1843 aged 9 mths, of Oxford St??[26]

1/13. Sarah Lester, ch St Peter’s, 24/5/1845, Oxford St Miner[27].

Probably son of Thomas Eliza Lister, b 1813 Wolverhampton:
1851 census 51, Green Lane Wolverhampton (eastern):
Thomas Lister, (38, Miner), Eliza (38), William (Miner, 9), Martha (6), Charels (4), ?? (son, 2), Samuel (7mths). All b W’ton.

1891 Census, 39 Chapel St, Wolverhampton, all b W’ton:
Samuel Lester (43, Coal Miner), Mary (45), Richard (20, Tool Fitter) Mary A (15), Rosanna (13), Harriet (10), Samuel (8), Arthur (3).


TIMOTHY ROPER - 1783

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The father of Martha Roper. His and his wife's origins are very uncertain. The best alternative is listed below. There are effectively 2 groups of his children, the earlier christened in the established church, the latter christened as Baptists. It is assumed that they were of the same parents.

IGI/PR:
Alternatives:
(A) Ch: 19/1/1783 @ St Leonard, Broseley.  (PR)
Parents: Timothy & Elis. (Tim = Elizabeth Kidson 3/10/1775 Barrow)
This is the more likely, (B) would be very young at marriage.
(B) ch: 3/10/1790, Broseley of Timothy & Sarah.

Married: Mary Morris, 14/12/1807 @ St Leonard, Broseley
         (PR chkd, nothing more shown).

Died: before 11/1848 (Martha's marriage), nothing found, so probably before 1837, although possibly Wolverhampton XVII 257 1840 Q4.

A Sarah Roper aged 12 was a servant to Esther Lister, aged 60, in Broseley House Green in 1841.

1838 Tithe: Timothy Roper renting from Benjamin Leadbeater, House & Garden ref 93f 0/0/5.

MARY MORRIS

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Alternatives:

(A): Ch: 2/3/1788, Broseley (PR) (more likely due mother's name and her daughter & granddaughters & father’s name & son Samuel)

Parents: Samuel & Martha (Evans) Morris


(B): Ch: 20/8/1786, Broseley, at Linley, (PR)

Parents: Henry & Hannah Morris.


Issue of Timothy Roper & Mary Morris:

It is probable that these are all the same family, who became Baptists in mid life. He is described as a collier in all but John's record, daughters called Martha run through sons daughters.
1/1. William Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley, 23/4/1809. PR

1841 Census, Cannon St, W'ton, a possibility:
William Roper (30, moulder, N), Sarah (30, N), John (8, N), Martha (1, Y)., informant at nephew Timothy’s DC

1/2. Samuel Roper, ch 6/6/1813, St Leonard, Broseley.

1841 Census, Canon St, Wolverhampton:
Samuel Roper (27, Forgeman, Y), Elizabeth (27, Y), Mary (6, Y), Martha (2, Y).
1851 Census: Kimberworth, Yorkshire.
Samuel Roper (37, Mill Furnaceman, Bradley, Shropshire), Elizabeth (37, Benton), Martha (11, Scholar, W’ton), Timothy (7, W’ton), William (4, West Bromwich), Samuel (2, West Bromwich).
1861 Census, 77 Midland Rd, Kimberworth:
Samuel Roper (47, Mill furnaceman, Broseley), Elizabeth (47, Benthall), Timothy (17, Iron Puddler, W’ton), William (14, Iron roller, W Bromwich), Samuel (12, Lab at iron works, W Brom), Charles (9, Scholar, Masbro).
1871 Census: Kimberworth, 62, Foundry St:
Samuel Roper (59, Iron Worker, Broseley), Elizabeth (57, Benthall), William (son, 24, Iron Worker, West Bromwich). Charles (son, 19, Ironworker, Masbro, Yorks).
2/1. Mary Roper, b abt 1835
2/2. Martha Roper, b abt 1839
2/3. Timothy Roper, b abt 1840.

ref DC: died 1/11/1840, informant was William Roper.

2/4. Timothy Roper, b abt 1844
2/5. Samuel Roper, b abt 1849
2/6. Charles Roper, b abt 1850

1/2. Ann Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley, 1/10/1815 (PR).
1/3. Sarah Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley, 10/1/1819 (PR).

A possible line from Andrew Hill
M. Robert Gething (collier) 3/4/1836
Robert Gething b 1816 d 1883 married Sarah Roper b 1816 d 1847 on (No 602) 3rd April 1836 at St Leonard’s Broseley, Shropshire. Both signed X. Witnesses were: John and Charles Smith.

1841 Census Broseley:
Robert (25 coalminer) Sarah (25), Mary Ann (11), Harriet (2)
Ref Andrew Hill of Dudley, 11/2002.


Robert Gething married again after Sarah's death on 16th May 1847 Benthall, Shropshire.

22nd January 1849 at the Parish Church, Benthall. Robert Gething married Diana Harris b 1811 d 7/12/1878 (nee Boden).

2/1. Mary Ann Gething, ch 31/6/1837 St L Broseley.

M. Alfred Edwards, s of William Edwards, 22/2/1857, Dudley
3/1. Eliza Edwards, M. Luke Garbett 12/7/1884, Dudley.

4/1. Beatrice Alice Garbett, 11/9/1884, Dudley.

Gt Grand son Andrew Hill.

1/4. Martha Roper, ch @ Birch Meadow Baptist Chapel (nc),

Broseley 26/6/1822.  (PR)

1/5. John Roper ch @ Birch Meadow Baptist Chapel (nc),

Broseley.  29/7/1825, (PR) #30, Hockley, Broseley.

1/6. Timothy Roper ch @ Birch Meadow Baptist Chapel (nc),

Broseley 22/8/1828.  (PR) #30, Broseley.


The Birchmeadow [Strict and Particular] Baptist Chapel was built in 1803 following a split in the Old Baptist Church in Broseley. This engraving shows the chapel as it was built. It ceased to be used for religious worship c.1927

Alternative for Timothy:
Probably too young.
Ch: 3/10/1790 @ St Leonard, Broseley.
Parents: Timothy & Sarah.
Siblings: Charles (2/7/1780), Elizabeth (1/6/1777)?? 
No Ropers voting 1834.
This may be the Timothy Roper with wife Sarah in Bilston 1851 aged 63, a coal miner born Broseley.
Timothy Roper Married Sarah Danks, Wolverhampton St Peters, 28/6/1813 (IGI).

Also:
1851 Census, Camphill, Wednesbury, Lodgers:
Thomas Roper (60, Brazier Tinman, Broseley), Mary (59, Broseley)
1851 Census, 159 High St, Bilston:
Timothy Roper (63, Coal Miner, Broseley), Sarah (59, Bilston).
Probably Timothy ch 3/10/1790 of Timothy & Sarah

Broseley Birch Meadow Chapel. 17

Particular Baptist. Extracts.
1822 " June 26. Martha, d. of Timothy & Mary Roper, 30, Broseley, Salop.
1825, July 29. John, s. of Timothy & Mary Roper, No. 30, Hockley, Broseley, Salop.
1828 " Aug. 22. Timothy, s. of Timothy & Mary Roper, No. 30, Broseley, Salop.
1831 " Oct. 26. James, s. of Thomas & Maria Roper, No. 58, Broseley, Salop.
1832 " Dec. 22. John, s. of William & Sarah Roper, Wood, Broseley, Salop. Aug. 18, 33.
1832 " Dec. 22. John, s. of William & Sarah Roper, Wood, Broseley, Salop. Aug. 18, 33.
1833 " Oct. 27. William, s. of Thos. & Maria Roper, Ockley, Broseley, Salop.
1835 " Mar. 7. Mary, d. of Samuel & Elizabeth Roper, Cherry Tree Hill, Dawley, Salop.
1829 Mar. 14. Selina, d. of Richard & Mary Lister, Church Street, Broseley, Salop.
1831 " Dec. 23. Fanny, d. of Richard & Mary Lister, nr. Delph, Broseley, Salop

JOHN PALMER

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The father of David Palmer:

   All that is certain is that he was “J. Palmer, dcd” in 1843 at David’s marriage, and that David was born in Enville about 1814, no obvious burial has been found in Shropshire & Staffordshire PR on Findmypast images. The only family that fits is John & Mary Palmer who were in Enville at the time. There is a possible Mary Palmer buried in Enville in 1848.
   There were 2 possible John Palmers, one born in 1768, the other born in Kinver in 1781. If the John Palmer baptised in Kinver in 1797 was of this couple, then the 1781 date is too late. However, the John & Mary Palmer having issue between 1797 and 1817 means a long and infrequent breeding period. By the 1851 and 1861 Censuses there were a number of Palmer families in the area local around Enville and Kinver; there was an iron works there in the early part of the 19thC[28], where some of them worked.

Image result for iron works kinver palmer

The following is a the most likely possibility:
ch 29/12/1768, Alveley of William & AnnPR.

Alveley is a parish just west of Enville.
The ancestry of this John is shown below and can be traced back into the 17thC with reasonable confidence into a farming family.

Many baptised in Stoddesdon.


This marriage looks to be a possibility, although there is a gap in the births between Kinver and Enville:

John Palmer Married 5 Apr 1795 Mary Stringer @ Saint Mary, Enville, he OTP, she of Kinver.
Mary Stringer dau of Thomas & Margaret ch Bobbington, 24/3/1771.PR
Thomas Stringer M Margaret Richards by Banns Bobbington, 2/4/1762PR.
Possibility, but looks old:
Thomas Stringer ch Quatt, 11/9/1721, of Roger & Katherine.
Margaret Richards ch Quatt 31/1/1736-7 of Daniel & Elizabeth.

A Mary Palmer was buried at Enville, 12/3/1848 of Tettenhall Work House, aged 74. The fact that she was buried in Enville, rather than Tettenhall indicates a strong connection with Enville. She was probably the wife of John Palmer, in spite of the age difference. She was not at the workhouse in 1841. The workhouse was the Seisdon Union, but in Tettenhall Parish.

No wills found, some for Kinver. Staffs & Salop to 1680.

Issue of John Palmer & Mary ch
@ St Peter, Kinver:
John Palmer, ch 8/1/1797PR.
@ St Mary, Enville:
1/1. William Palmer, ch 15/5/1803PR

was this the one who was a rimlock maker in Willenhall?

1/22. James Palmer, 6/10/1811 PR. (father a Labourer of 4 Ashes)

1851/61 not found.

1/32. David Palmer, 2/10/1814 PR. (Labourer of 4 Ashes)
1/4. Ann Palmer, 16/11/1817 PR. Nil further to 12/1824

John Palmer:: C51 at Swindon, Wombourne aged 53? With wife Mary, both born Enville.
C61, Swindon village, age 63, b Kinver, ag lab with Mary, b Worfield aged 53 & son aged 17, b Swindon.
C61 James St, Kinver:
John Palmer (48, roller of Iron emp 2 men & 4 boys, Kinver), Mary Ann (wf, 45, Gorsty Bank)
Bur John Palmer, Swindon, aged 84 15 June 1882.


1811-14 (children's bth): a labourer of Four Ashes (PR).

Son David's marriage cert (1843) only shows "J. Palmer, farmer, dead" as his father, but David's birth to John & Mary fits later census birth place & therefore it is assumed that John is the correct forename. He was a labourer around 1814, the PR listing him of 4 Ashes: there is a 4 Ashes, Enville.
Four Ashes house is a historic house, of 1660 with later additions. From the PR abode information, it is likely that John Palmer was a worker on the estate, probably living in a cottage there[29]. There is also Enville Hall, whose estate marches with 4 Ashes Hall to the north.

There is a also settlement called 6 Ashes to the north of Enville.



Enville, 1852.

Origin of the name:
A pilgrim, so called from the palm-branch, which he constantly carried as a pledge of his having been in the Holy Land. 'Here is a holy Palmer come, From Salem first, and last from Rome.' Scott's Marmion.

Other Palmers


John Palmer Ch:
a) 3/10/1781 Kinver
Parents: Richard & Mary  (PR chkd)
Issue of Richard & Mary Palmer (IGI, ch Kinver):
1/1. Mary Palmer C: 29 Dec 1776, bur 25/11/1777.
1/2. Thomas Palmer C: 25 Dec 1778
1/3. John Paumer C: 3 Oct 1781
1/4. James Palmore C: 25 Nov 1787
1/5. Ann Palmer C: 15 May 1791

1841 Census, Kinver:
John Palmer (65, Farmer, no), Hannah (60, yes), John (25, yes) +2 others.

Enville No Palmers 1861 and 1851 (1851 difficult to read).
Several Palmers in Kinver 1851, but none obviously relevant.

John & Susanna Palmer:
John Palmer Married 15 Apr 1800 Susanna Whorrall @ Kinver, both OTP, bachelor & spinsterPR.

1841 Census, Kinver:
John Palmer (60, Milkman, yes), Susannah (60, yes), Richard (20, Roller, yes).

Issue of John Palmer & Susannah:
Ch @ Kinver, Staffs:
1/1. Richard Palmer C: 16 Jan 1803

Married: Mary Quarry, 1/7/1821, Kingswinford, Staffs.
Issue of Richard Palmer & Mary, Ch @ Kinver, Staffs:
2/1. William Palmer C: 21 Oct 1821
2/2. John Palmer C: 23 Nov 1823
2/3. James Palmer C: 20 Mar 1826
2/4. Richard Palmer C: 17 Aug 1828

1/2. Mary Palmer C: 17 Mar 1805
1/3. William Palmer C: 22 Nov 1807
1/4. Harriott Palmer C: 22 Jul 1810
1/5. Ann Palmer C: 22 Jul 1810
1/6. John Palmer C: 27 Sep 1812
1/7. Caroline Palmer C: 6 Feb 1818 Parents: John Palmer & Susan
1/8. Elizabeth Palmer C: 7 Jan 1821


Also:

John Palmer Married 13 Apr 1818 Ann Haverley, Sedgley, Stafford,
John Palmer Married 27 Aug 1804 Ann Steel, Sedgley, Stafford.
Henry Palmer C: 27 Dec 1813 Parents: John Palmer & Susanna Bishops Castle, Shropshire,
Thomas Palmer C: 26 Mar 1815

Richard Palmers:

Richard Palmer C: 4 Apr 1774
Parents; William Palmer & Mary, Kinver, Stafford.

1851 Census, Claverley:
Richard Palmer (77, farmer of 137 acres & 1 lab, Stourport), Catherine (72, Highley), Catherine (37, daughter, Kinver), Catherine (g-dau, 14, Kinver), William (brother, 80, annuitant, Stourbridge).

Richard Palmer C: 8 Sep 1734
Parents: Richard Palmer & Kesiah, Kingsley, Stafford.

Richard Palmer C: 3 Jun 1771
Parents: William Palmer & Ann, Wolverhampton, Stafford.

Richard Palmer C: 29 Nov 1818
Parents: Richard Palmer & Catherine, Kinver, Stafford.



Descendants of Thomas Palmer ch Highley, 14/10/1638

 of Richard & Joan.


There was a family of Julius Palmer in the Shropshire Quaker records with children about 1710, one of whom at least is recorded as being born in Bridgnorth.

Thomas Palmer M Mary Wheeler 16/1/1671-2 He of Highley, she of Kinlet.
No obvious trace of Mary Wheeler – she may have been lost in the civil war lack of records.
Joan Palmer. Bef 1729. ch 11/8/1686 of Thomas & Mary, Kinlet

Edmund Palmer, will 1722/9:
Prob B 9/12/1680, Kinlet of Thomas & Mary.
Edmund Palmer M Ann Dorsett, Highley 14/7/1698.
No trace found on who Anne Dorsett was – the PR is clear on the name & spelling.
Wife Ann, Will 1743-4, mentions g/ch John, Edward & Ann Rowley, not found on PR’s:
1/1. William Palmer Yeoman of Compton Will 1777/9 (b 3/4/1701, Highley Salop)

Estate at Rawnsley, Alveley.
Bur Kinver, 29/5/1778. MI William Palmer "of Compton" died 25/5/1776, aged 78
William Palmer of Upper Arley married Elizabeth Gibbs of Alveley, 15/4/1725, Wombourne.
Elizabeth b 2/2/1698, Alveley of Thomas (brother & sister William & Mary of Thomas & Anne).
There were Thomas Gibbs, father & son, butchers in Kinver who died 1717 & 1721, and were Quakers, but do not appear to be related to our Elizabeth.
Issue of William & Elizabeth, Upper Arley.
2/1. William Palmer. Ch 11/11/1729, D btw 1744-1777, wife Ann.

William Palmer and Mary Reynaulds, of Ditton Priors married Alveley, 4/5/1752, by banns.PR Several baps to W&M at Ditton Priors and Neen Sollars.
Mary, wife of William Palmer, bur Enville 11/6/1759PR.
William Palmer, widower OTP, Married Ann Hill, of Wo(l)verley, Alveley, 24/3/1761, by licencePR.

Ann Hill ch Upper Arley, 13/4/1740 of William & Ann – the most likely candidate on PR’s.
William Hill M Ann Guilt, by Banns Alveley, 14/5/1733.
Ann Hill bur Wolverley (Alverley) 10/1/1740-1PR T/S.
William son of William & Ann 17/12/1736, Alveley.
Will of William 1769 of Upper Arley, wife Sarah.

Issue of William & Ann Palmer
3/1. William Palmer Alveley 14/11/1762
3/2. Elisabeth Palmer Alveley 22/1/1765
3/4. John Palmer Alveley 29/12/1768
3/5. Thomas Palmer Alveley 2/4/1774

2/2. Edmund Palmer – ch 11/8/1733. will 1802/9. No living issue.
2/3. Thomas Palmer – ch 17/1/1738. will 1822-8
2/4. Mary Palmer, ch 14/11/1735. wife of Edward Gorton. M bef 1777
2/5. John Palmer of Alveley. Ch 6/10/1725 & 29/12/1740.

Burial of John at Upper Arley, 20/1/1730.
All except James found at Old Swinford of John & Elizabeth.
3/1. William Palmer, b bef 1777, ch 2/2/1767
3/2. Richard Palmer, ch 25/12/1774
3/3. Elizabeth Palmer, M. 19/5/1793, Alveley, ch 24/2/1774

Robert Green, widower of Alveley, she spinster of Kinver.

3/4. Thomas Palmer, ch 13/9/1781.
3/5. James Palmer
3/6. Edmund Palmer. Ch 13/4/1777.

A possible licence: St Martin B’ham 11/10/1800 to Martha Horton, both OTP. Mar 14/10/1800.
4/1. John Palmer
Of Edmund & Martha, Old Swinford
4/2. Elizabeth Palmer. 18/10/1807
4/3. Mary Palmer. 7/5/1809.

2/6. Elizabeth Palmer, ch 12/8/1724, Alveley,

Bur 25/11/1805, Quatt aged 79
Mar Humphrey Clare, Upper Arley, June 1751.
Humphrey ch 2/2/1721, Alveley of William (& Anne for his sibs.)
Humphrey Bur Quatt, 28/5/1798.
Brother William & his son Humphrey left wills of Mose, Quatt, Salop.
Humphrey Clare of Quatt will of 1798, wife Elizabeth:
3/1. Mary Clare, M Thomas Nock of Stockton, Quatt 4/5/1783, she OTP
3/2. Elizabeth Clare, nothing more found.
3/3. Nancy Clare, M Thomas Bowen, Quatt 4/2/1790, he of Worfield.
3/4. Jane Clare, M William Lewis of Highley, Quatt 12/8/1800,

2/7. Ann Palmer, ch 17/10/1727. M Nock

Mar Thomas Nock, 1/2/1753-4, Stockton by Bridgnorth (towards Shifnal – looks a bit far). His will 1765 refers to William Palmer.
3/1. Thomas Nock, ch Stockton, 1/11/1757, M cousin Mary Clare.

4/1. John Nock

3/2. Elizabeth Nock, M Nicholls ch Stockton 9/11/1753.

M Benjamin Nicholls, Worfield 27/1/1776.
4/1. Samuel Nicholls of Worfield. Mentioned in a Palmer will.

3/3. Ann Nock M Thomason ch Stockton 17/8/1755.

M. William Thomason of Stockton 27/2/1786, Kinver. She of Kinver.

3/4. Mary Nock, ch 22/9/1760 Stockton.
Also Mary Nock of Thomas & Jane, 5/11/1753. – no mar of T & Jane.

1/2. Joan Palmer. Bef 1729. ch 1699, Highley of Ed and Ann.



 

8.         ********************* GENERATION 8 ***********************



ELIZABETH LISTER

AM8/50


The mother (unmarried) of Thomas Lister

Best Bet: (ref father's name & sisters Eleanor & Sarah)
              (several other alternative routes exist)
Ch 21/11/1784, St Leonard, Broseley.PR (nil relevenat deaths to 1795)
Parents: Thomas & Ann (Farmer) Lyster.

Some notes are in the Appendix relating to Bastardy laws.

Issue ch @ Broseley, base born:
1/1. Sarah Lister, ch @ St Leonard 17/12/1802.PR
1/2. Thomas Lister, ch @ St Leonard 9/10/1803. PR    AM07/25
1/3. Sarah Lister, ch @ St Leonard 25/12/1806. PR
1/4. Eleanor Lister, ch @ St Leonard 29/04/1810.PR

No suitable Elizabeth Listers on the census


The only other Elizabeth Lyster in the location and age range was ch “Elizabeth Smith Lyster”, in 1781, so not a likely candidate.
The spelling before 1800 seems to have become more commonly Lyster.

Probably not this Elizabeth: Elizabeth Lister M Edward Wellings, Broseley, 6/11/1806PR. Both OTP, by banns. She signed.

JOHN BRADLEY - 1778

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Ch: 25/10/1778, St Leonard, Broseley (best bet @ Broseley) (PR)
Parents: Francis & Mary (Evans) Bradley.
Married: Ann Lyster 31/1/1796, Dawley MagnaPR, both OTP by banns.
This looks correct in that the births start suitably after the marriage: both look a bit young, but the other John/Ann marriages were earlier. Additionally, John and Ann had 2 sons called Francis.
This probably reflects the population movements in the period as mines took on labour. John was probably a coal miner.
A John Bradley was buried at Broseley 1/11/1851, aged 64, but is too young. He does not appear on the 1851 census. He was probably the son of John & Margaret, ch Benthall, 22/8/1786, dissenters.


ANN LISTER - 1777

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Several Ann & Hannah Lysters poss on IGI.
Best Bet: Ann Lyster.
Ch 5/1/1777, Much Wenlock (PR chkd – 1777, not 1776-7.)
Parents: William & Elizabeth (Bradley).
Married: John Bradley 31/12/1796, Dawley Magna.
       Witness Robert & Jane Evans.

Issue of John Bradley & Ann Lyster, (PR St Leonard):
1/1. Francis Bradley, 5/11/1797, maybe bur 4/8/1798, Broseley.
1/2. Eliz Bradley, 7/7/1799.
1/3. Geo Bradley, 6/9/1801.

1841 Census, Broseley Wood:
George (40, coalminer), Sarah (35), John (15, coalminer), Thomas (12, coalminer), William (10, coalminer), George (7), Levy Evans (2). Levy a nephew in 1851.

1851 Census, Broseley Wood:
George (50, Coalminer), + wife, initial S. & 5 sons & 2 daughters, initials only). All born Broseley.

1861: In Madeley, Lincoln Hill, aged 60 widower.
A George Bradley, House & Garden Brosley Tithe 1838 (387d)

1/4. Jno Bradley, 22/1/1804.
1/5. Eliz Bradley, 4/4/1804, dau.
1/6. Frans Bradley, 4/4/1804, son.
1/7. Ann Bradley, 31/8/1806.                          AM07/26


There are Admons for John to Ann Bradley, Dawley Magna, he died about April 1798, he was buried at Coalbrookdale, 20/12/1979, of Brand Lea, wife Nell aged 43
and Ann Bradley, widow of Dawley Magna to John Bradley, died about October 1808. She was buried Coalbrookdale as the widow of Andrew, of Brand Lea, 10/1808, aged 52
There were 2 other marriages in the area between john Bradley to Ann, in 1785 & 1788.


TIMOTHY ROPER - 1740

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There are several lines before this Timothy, which originate from Francis & Margaret Roper who were producing children about 1640 in Broseley.

1776: Timothy Roper shoemaker, Broseley, master to apprentice Richard Goodall. He was a shoemaker at his wedding to Elizabeth Kidson.

He appears to have been a burgess and freeman of Broseley (notes in Lister Appendix) as 2 of his sons, Timothy & Thomas appear in Burgess' and Freemen Admission Claims for Broseley in 1748
1758: Timothy Roper minister to the Bailiff

2 possible burials:
Buried: 10/7/1806, Broseley, probably adult.
Or 20/8/1814, aged 75 – ties in with Bap date.

Alternatives:
See under his father, Timothy (or Michael) Roper for the alternative lines. There is no indication which of these births was the correct one.

(A):
Ch: 3/2/1739-40, Broseley (PR transcript).
Parents: Tim & Ann Roper.

(B):
Ch: 17/2/1739-40, Michael & Phebe Roper (PR Transcript)

Married 1:  Sarah Lee, 11/5/1761, St Leonard, Broseley. Both OTP.
Sarah ch 7/9/1740 ex Charles & Elis. or 29/12/42 ex Ed & Mary
No burial for Sarah found.

Issue of Timothy Roper & Sarah Lee:
1/1. John Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 4/7/1762.
1/2. Mary Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 1/1/64.
1/3. Susanna Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 31/8/66.
Also of Timothy & Sarah:
Elizabeth Roper, ch 1/6/1777
Charles Roper, ch 2/7/1780
Timothy Roper, ch 3/10/1790.

Married 2:  Elizabeth Kidson, 3/10/1775, Barrow.

both OTP, Tim Shoomaker, Eliz spinster
Claimed admission of Burgess & Freeman of Barrow on marriage.

PR: dau of Charles & Eliz Kitson, ch Barrow 17/3/1745.
Buried: Broseley, 14/8/1825, aged 80.

Issue of Timothy Roper & Elizabeth Kidson:
1/4. Elizabeth Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 8/9/1776.  (PR)

Married Robert Pinner 5/8/1800, Broseley???

1/5. Anne Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 28/6/78.        (PR)
1/6. Sarah Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 20/8/80.       (PR)
1/7. Timothy Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 19/1/1783.  AM07/27
1/8. William Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 24/9/1786. (PR only)
1/8. Thomas Roper, ch St Leonard, Broseley 25/10/1789.

Burgess' and Freemen Admission Claim for Broseley, ref Thomas’s birth.[30]
Also Timothy, 1783


1764 a Thomas Roper an apprentice joiner in Broseley.


SAMUEL or HENRY MORRIS

These are the 2 possible fathers of Mary Morris, who married Timothy Roper. There seems no way of deciding which was correct.

Samuel Morris:

No suitable burials of Samuel or Martha listed.

Married: Martha Evans Broseley, 28/9/1785, both of Broseley.PR
(a) ch 15/2/1767, Broseley, of Samuel & Jane
Samuel m. Jane Davies 22/7/1768, Worthen.
(b) ch 27/3/1763, Broseley, of Richard & Elis.
(c): IGI has Samuel Morris, spouse Martha Evans Broseley, abt 1760. 
Martha Evans: ch 25/8/1765, Broseley of Thos & Martha
one possibility!

Issue of Samuel & Martha Morris at Broseley:
1/1. Mary Morris Ch: 2/3/1788.
1/2. John ch 20/8/1786, bur 4/1/1791.

1/3. Anne Morris ch 16/12/1791
1/4. John Morris ch 7/2/1796.

Broseley Tithe:

Samuel Morris, sen renting house & garden (38d) from Thomas Wilde.


Henry Morris:
Several Henry's shown as christened:
Broseley, 17/4/1743 of Henry
Cleobury North, 2/8/1748
Monkhopton, 2/6/1754 of Henry & Sarah.

Henry M. married Hannah Jones 9/2/1778, Tasley (NW of Bridgnorth, quite close to Linley).
Issue of Henry & Hannah Morris:
1/1. Mary Morris Ch: 20/8/1786, Broseley, at Linley, (PR)
1/2. John (18/1/1778 @ Linley),
1/3. Sarah (b abt 1778, ch 21/7/1782),
1/4. Elizabeth (ch 21/4/1782 @ Linley)




 

9.         *********************** GENERATION 9 **********************



THOMAS LYSTER

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Ch Broseley 1/11/1747 of William & Mary (Traunter) BradleyPR
The no others Thomas Lister listed between 1735 & 1763, and burials checked.

Or Ch: St Leonard, Broseley, 16/1/1763 - too young?  (PR)
Parents: Thomas & Mary (Bradley) Lyster


Married: Anne Farmer, St Leonard, Broseley, 4/5/1779PR.

A Thomas Lister owned, rented or let a number of properties in Broseley Tithe 1838

Edward and John Lister were also property owners 1838.

ANN FARMER

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None found near Broseley, Claverley the nearest.
Married: Thomas Lyster, St Leonard, Broseley, 4/5/1779PR.

Issue of Thomas Lyster & Ann Farmer:
1/1. Eleanor Lister, ch @ St Leonard 14/5/1780.
1/2. Sarah Lister, ch @ St Leonard 26/5/1782.
1/3. Elisabeth Lister, ch @ St Leonard 21/11/1784PR.  AM08/50
1/4. Richard Lister, ch @ St Leonard 3/6/1787.
1/5. Abraham Lister, ch @ St Leonard 25/12/1790.


FRANCIS BRADLEY - 1751

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The father of John Bradley

This looks the most likely couple: the ages of Francis & Mary Evans look OK. There was an earlier Francis in Benthall, but he seems to have married another Mary earlier, and had an appropriate sequence of children. Seems a long child bearing period: maybe two wives &/or couples: short break between William & Elisabeth.


IGI, most likely sequence:
Ch: 14/7/1751, St Leonard, BroseleyPR
Parents: John & Mary (Bevan).
Married: Mary Evans, 26/5/1772, St Leonard, By LicPR.

There were a number of Mary Evans’s about in the right period: it is a common name, so it is not possible to say with any certainty who she was. There were 2 possibilities at Broseley, neither of whom were buried as children:
24/6/1750 of John & Rebecca or,

1/1/1750 of John & Eleanor

Issue (ch @ St Leonard, Broseley, PR):
1/1. Elizabeth Bradley, 19/2/1775
1/2. George Bradley, 3/8/1777.
1/3. John Bradley, 25/10/78.
1/4. Mary Bradley, 26/3/1780.
1/5. Anne Bradley, 20/5/1782.

1/6. Francis Bradley, 24/10/1784.

A Francis Bradley bur Broseley 10/2/1786.

1/7. William Bradley, 12/9/1786.

The sequence of children of Francis & Mary seems long. A possibility is that Mary 1st was buried 27/8/1788 at St Marys Broseley, and that Francis then married Mary Morris 11/5/1790 at St Leonard. There does not seem to have been another Francis Bradley between 1751 and 1803.

1/8. Elisabeth Bradley, 10/10/1790.
1/9. Anne Bradley, 26/8/1792.
1/10. Sarah Bradley, 13/4/1794.
1/10. Francis Bradley, 3/1/96.  (PR - of Fras. & Mary)

A Francis Bradley, House & Garden Brosley Tithe 1838 (938b)

1/11. Jane Bradley, 17/6/98.          PR&IGI
1/12. Mary Bradley, 29/11/1801.       PR
1/13. Maria Bradley, 21/3/1804.       PR



Sarah Bradley, ch 28/4/1771, of Francis & Sarah at Broseley.
Sarah Bradley, wife of John, buried Bridgnorth, 18/7/1770.


Date: Sat, 31 May 2008
From: "Sheila Mitchell"

  I am descended from Sarah Bradley the daughter of Francis Bradley born in 1751 and his wife Sarah. The bulk of the information I have regarding this line comes from a now deceased uncle who spent his life tracing our ancestry. He did this at a time when one needed to go to registrar's offices etc. and did not have the benefit of the internet.
  When I began retracing his steps I discovered, like you and Nicholas that Francis Bradley was married to Mary Evans although a search of Family Search indicates that Sarah was born to Francis and Sarah Bradley. I can find no marriage for Francis and Sarah but feel it is possible that Sarah died after the birth of their daughter, Sarah and that Francis then married Mary Evans in 1772. I did wonder whether there might have been two Francis Bradleys however as my Francis is the son of John Bradley and Mary Bevan then this is unlikely.

My line of descent is as follows.
Francis Bradley and Sarah had a daughter Sarah.
Sarah married on the 8th Feb. 1796 Samuel Page.  They had four children, William born 1797; Elizabeth born 1798, Sarah born 1800 and Harriett born 1805 (all born in Madeley)
  Harriett married William Morris at Wellington in 1827 they had four children, Eliza born in 1828; Sarah born in 1830; Henry born in 1832 and Ellen born in 1839.
  Eliza Morris had a son William Henry Morris in 1851 by - it is said - her employer John Fisher, Esq.
  William Henry Morris married Margaret Eleanor Duncan in Leeds in 1878 they had a son Frederick Harding in 1883.
  Frederick Harding Morris married Edith Chittenden in 1912 in Portsmouth.  They had nine children.  Their youngest daughter, Jacqueline Elizabeth born in 1933 gave birth to me in 1949 in a home for unmarried mothers run by nuns but as she was under 16 she was unable to keep me and I was adopted.  She subsequently married my natural father, Allan Stanley Russell and they went on to have four further children.  I met the family in 1969.
  If this is of interest I will happily furnish you with more information.
  I am particularly curious to find out if anyone else in the extended family knew anything about Eliza Morris.  She died whilst quite young and her son William seems to have been cared for by his aunt Sarah.  Efforts to find more about John Fisher have been unsuccessful.  Sheila Mitchell

AM Reply 1/6/08:
Sheila,
Thanks for the email. It has made me look more closely at what I have written about the Bradley's!
I have also rechecked the IGI. I find that Francis & Sarah had several children christened at St Leonard:

Issue of Francis & Sarah, St Leonard, IGI:
Mary Bradley, 7/5/1769, died 7/1/1772
Sarah Bradley, 28/4/1771.
William Bradley, 12/12/1773.
Elizabeth Bradley, 17/3/1776
Jane Bradley, 30/8/1779, Benthall.

These cross over with Francis & Mary, so must have been different Francis's. Francis (1751) would have been only just 17 when Mary (1769, dau of Francis & Sarah) was conceived, I think that Francis (who had issue with Sarah) was not the one born in 1751. There was a Francis born on Benthall (next door) in 1744, who may have married Mary Pickering, 1766.

Who was Fanny Bradley, 9/1/1766 of Francis & Mary?

One begins to wonder about the accuracy of the IGI transcript, perhaps Mary was transcribed as Sarah sometimes! I have not looked at that part of the original. It seems to me that there were certainly at least 2 Francis's breeding at the same time.

Francis & Mary Evans producing issue between 1775 and at least 1786, when this Francis may have died, another Francis & Mary continuing to breed 1790 on to 1804.


It needs a lot more study, and a visit to Shrewsbury to look at the originals, and see which children survived beyond infancy.

As to the Morris family, again, I have not looked closely, but should as I have a Timothy Roper marrying Mary Morris, Broseley, 1807, but have not looked very hard at that yet (as with other projects of mine, completion date is measured in decades!).

Sorry not to be more definite, in fact to cast a shadow of doubt over your line. Let me know what you think.



WILLIAM LYSTER - 1750

AM09/103


Ch: 3/1/1750, Barrow, Shropshire
(IGI & PR - at marriage "of Barrow")
Parents: Samuel & Elizabeth (Roden) Lyster

Married: (1) Elizabeth Bradley 16/8/1775, Willey.  "William Lister of Barrow, wheelwright, & Elizabeth Bradley, spinster OTP, by sp. licence, wit Juli Forrester & Elizabeth Forrester"

1779: William Lister, of Much Wenlock, wheelwright, had an apprentice Edward Bennet.

(2) Ann Davis, Much Wenlock. 6/2/1780.  "William Lister, widower, OTP & Anne Davies, Spinster OTP" - both signed themselves.
Issue: 8 children by 2nd marriage.


ELIZABETH BRADLEY - 1750

AM09/104


Seems the only one of the right age in the area.
Ch: 14/7/1749-50, BenthallPR
Parents: Francis & Elizabeth (Darby).
The only possible burial found was in Broseley, 7/7/1778.
Married:  William Lyster, 16/8/1775, Willey. (as 1st wife).

Issue of William Lyster & Elizabeth Bradley:
1/1. Ann Lyster, ch Much Wenlock, 5/1/1777.          AM08/52

Ch Much Wenlock (IGI)


Issue of William Lyster & Anne Davies, Much Wenlock.
1/2. Sarah Lyster C: 22 Nov 1780
1/3. Elizabeth Hannah Lister C: 13 Mar 1783
1/4. Jane Lister C: 6 Nov 1785
1/5. Mary Jane Lyster C: 1 Jun 1788
1/6. Frances Lyster C: 2 Jul 1790
1/7. Catharine Lyster C: 27 Nov 1791
1/8. Mary Lister C: 11 Apr 1795
1/9. William Leister C: 20 Sep 1796


TIMOTHY or MICHAEL ROPER

AM09/105


At this time (3/2010 & 6/2019) it has not been possible to narrow down the origins of Timothy Roper born about 1740. Three alternatives are shown below:

There appear to be only 3 Timothy Ropers of the right birth date range, all at Broseley.
(A): Ch 15/1/1730 of Timothy & Joyce

Looks a bit old for ours, and probably married Charity Rice, 1755 with issue.


(B) Ch: 3/2/1739-40, Broseley of Tim & Ann Roper.

Timothy ch 1699, son of Timothy & Sarah (Leadbeater) Roper

Timothy ch 1668, son of Francis & Margaret (Rhodes) Roper.

Francis ch 1643, son of Francis & Margaret Roper.

(C): Ch: 17/2/1739-40, Michael & Phebe Roper (PR Transcript)

Michael ch: 3/9/1716, Son of Edward & Sarah Roper

Edward ch 1/1/1681, son of Timothy & Mary Roper.



One of these Timothy Roper’s was probably the Timothy Roper who was a minister to the Bailiff of Broseley in the late 1740’s and 1750’s. An entry of 1748 has Timothy Roper snr & jnr. This makes it probable that this was Timothy (b1705) and his son Timothy (b1730).

Francis Roper, b abt 1615


This is the earliest suitable Francis Roper found.

Francis snr bur Broseley, 25/1/1673-4 (snr to Francis 1643).
Margaret Roper, widow bur Broseley, 4/1/1701-2

Issue of Francis & Margaret Roper:
1/1. Thomas 16390721:
1/2. Anna 16410321
1/3. Francis 2/7/1643.

Margaret Rhodes probably dau of Thomas & Margaret ch Broseley 27/2/1649 (IGI/PR T/Script).
Margaret Roper, wife of Francis, Bur 28/3/1706.
Issue of Francis & Margaret Rhodes:
2/1. Timothy Base son of 16/61668 Francis & Margaret Rhodes

Marriage: 27/2/1693 of Timothy Ropier & Sarah Leadbeater
Issue of Timothy & Sarah:
3/1. William 10/6/1694
3/1. Jane 18/10/1696
3/3. Timothy Roper 2/2/1698-9,              AM09/105

One Possibility
Issue of Timothy & Ann Roper (no marriage found):
4/1. Margt Roper, (4/7/1725),
4/2. Anne Roper, (19/4/28),
4/3. Jane Roper, (29/7/30),
4/4. Sarah Roper, (10/12/32),
4/5. William Roper, (2/2/35),
4/6. Elizabeth Roper, (31/8/1737)
4/7. Mary Roper, (31/8/1737),
4/8. Timothy Roper, (3/2/1739-40),           AM08/53
4/9. Thomas Roper, (26/6/1743).

3/4. Sarah 12/2/1700-1 NFI

Issue of Francis & Margaret Roper (probably Margaret Rhodes).
2/2. Frances 16/3/1669-1 – NFI
2/3. Joan 6/2/1671-2 NFI
2/4. Edward 2/2/1673-4, of Francis Jnr
2/5. Mary 16810307
2/6. Francis 16811103
2/7. Margaret 16830311, Bur 20/7/1684
2/8. Thomas 16850630
2/9. John 16870208
2/10. Margaret 16890403
2/11. Francis 16911103
2/12. Samuel 16940318

1/4. Margaret 16451230

Married: John Bagnall, 1/5/1672

1/5. John 16500210
1/6. Edward 16521219
1/7. William 16551202 Bur 6/8/1676

Another unidentified Timothy Roper:

Issue of Timothy & Mary:
3/1. John 16701210 Bur 5/4/1678
3/2. Michael 16730413 Bur 11/6/1676
3/3. Mary 16780922, Bur 16790831
3/4. Edward 1/1/1681

Issue of Edward & Sarah (no Mar on IGI):
4/1. Timothy Ropier, 15/4/1705

A possible line, Broseley:
Bur Joyce, wife of Tim 7/4/1742
Marriage of Timothy & Joyce Benbow, Broseley, 28/12/1724.
Issue of Timothy & Joyce roper, Broseley:
5/1. Elizabeth Roper     13/10/1725, poss bur 2/5/1742, dau of Tim
5/2. Mary      Roper     15/10/1727
5/3. Timothy   Roper     15/01/1730
5/4. Ann       Roper     02/04/1732
5/5. Michael   Roper     18/12/1737
5/6. Francis   Roper     03/08/1735

Timothy Roper M Charity Rice, 5/5/1755, BroseleyPR
Note name of 1st daughter.
Issue of Tim & Charity
6/1. Joyce 23/9/1759, bur 5/2/1763, Broseley dau of Timothy.
6/2. Andrew 11/7/1756.
6/3. Gertrude 5/11/1761, bur 5/2/1763, Broseley dau of Timothy
6/4. Gwenllian 15/1/1764. M John Howells 15/4/1782, Broseley, OTP, Banns
6/5. Charity 11/1/1767, M 20/7/1789, Thomas Ramsel.
6/6. Joyce 2/12/1770

4/2. Francis Ropier, 3/11/1707
4/3. Margarett d. of Edward Roper & Sara  17101227
4/4. Will. s. of Ed Roper & Sarah  17131102
4/5. Michael s. of Ed. Roper & Sara  3/9/1716.

Bur: Michael Roper, Broseley, 9/4/1788.
Issue of Michael & Phebe:
5/1. Timothy Roper 17/02/1740          AM08/53

5/2. Mary Roper    10/04/1743

5/3. John Roper    09/03/1745

5/4. Phebe Roper   06/12/1747

5/5. Susanna Roper 26/08/1750, bur 12/15/1758.

5/6. Michael Roper 19/08/1753, prob bur Broseley 3/1/1771.

5/7. Hannah Roper  29/05/1757

4/6. Mary d. of Ed. Roper & Sarah 17190607
4/7. Ed. s. of Ed. & Sara Roper 17220401

3/5. Francis 16840413


George Ropier, ch Bridgnorth of Robert & Anne Ropier:
Bur George Roper, Barrow, 3/6/1715, a poor old cripple from Linley

Issue of George & Dorothy Ropier, Broseley:
1/1. John 16760406
1/2. George 16780924
1/3. George 3/8/1684
1/4. Elizabeth 2/2/1686-7
1/5. Timothy, of Linley 12/11/1689 – probably not ours.

Bur Timothy Roper, Broseley, 6/4/1720, a poor smith from Linley.




CHARLES KIDSON

AM/9/105

Charles Kidson, ch Ditton Priors 25/1/1721 of Tho & Mary.

There were a number of Kidson/Kitson/Kytsons in the area around Ditton Priors, at various parishes along the Corve Dale.
There were no relevant wills found.

Charles Kidson M Elizabeth Knowles, July 1742, Much Wenlock.
He sejourner of Monk Hopton, she OTP by licence
Charles Kidson buried Monkhopton 2/5/1779.
Elizabeth Kidson buried Monkhopton, 4/4/1763.
The only Elizabeth Knowles in the area and era were born in Wolverhampton, Cleobury Mortimer & Worfield.
Cleobury Mortimer ch 1/8/1712 of Stephen & Mary, looks a bit early.


Issue of Charles & Elizabeth Kidson:
1/1. Elizabeth Kitson, ch Barrow 17/3/1745.
1/2. Mary Kidson ch 23/10/1742, Barrow

Was this a 2nd marriage?
Charles Kidson married Anne Pope 4/4/1751, Holdgate
Issue of Charles & Ann, Holdgate:
Mary        17510209

Thomas            17550622

Charles           17630227

Anne        17660319 (Chetton)

THOMAS KIDSON - 1692

AM10

Thomas Kidson ch Monkhopton 16/3/1692 of John & Mary. (MH book images not online, t/script only)

Thomas Kidson M Maria Williams, 3/6/1716, Much Wenlock, he of Monk Hopton, she of Eaton, by licence.

Mary Williams ch Rushbury (next to Eaton) 9/6/1689
Parents John & Margaret Williams.

Francis Kidson churchwarden Monkhopton 1728

Issue of Thomas & Mary Kidson, Ditton Priors:
1/1. William Kidson, ch unkown, but bur 12/8/1717.
1/2. Thomas Kidson 11/6/1718

1/3. John Kidson  10/7/1720

1/4. Charles Kidson 25/01/1721

JOHN KIDSON - 1667

AM11

Ch. 19/2/1666-7, Monkhopton
Parents: Richard & Mary Kidson.
Married at Culmington, John Kidson & Mary Hughes 24/2/1684 He of Monkhopton, She of Hopesay.

No further information on Richard & Mary. There were other Kidsons at parishes more towards Bridgnorth, but without further evidence one cannot go further back. Hughes’s too numerous to be definite.

Issue of John & Mary Kidson, Monkhopton:
1/1. Thomas Kidson 15/2/1685

1/2. Richard Kidson 8/3/1687

1/3. John Kidson 6/5/1690

1/4. Thomas Kidson 16/3/1692
1/5. Charles Kidson 23/3/1695

1/6. Edward Kidson 6/3/1700

JOHN WILLIAMS


No suitable births or marriage for John & Margaret Williams,

Issue of John & Margaret Williams:
Rushbury and Eaton are adjacent parishes.
1/1. Mary Williams 16890609 Rushbury

1/2. Anne Williams 16910101 Rushbury

1/3. Catherine Williams 17000323 Eaton under Heywood

1/4. Charles Williams 16861201 Rushbury

1/5. Elizabeth Williams 16861201 Rushbury

1/6. Martha Williams 16860726 Eaton under Heywood

1/7. Margaret Williams 16981218 Eaton under Heywood


Also of a John & Margaret, but probably not the same ones:
John Williams 16910401 Bridgnorth


 

10.      ******************* GENERATION 10 *******************



WILLIAM LISTER: - 1717

AM10/197



William of William & Elizabeth, ch Broseley, 6/8/1716.

Or one of these, but they seem a little young:
William Lister ch Broseley of William & Mary, 21/3/1724-5
William of Richard & Eleanor, ch Broseley, 18/3/1725.

No burials of William.

William Lister M Mary Traunter, Broseley 30/11/1743PR

Mary Tranter ch 4/9/1715, Dawley Magna, of John & Ann
John Traunter m Ann Bloomer alias Millart 24/7/1707, Madeley.
John Traunter of Psh Great Dawley & Ann Bloomer als Millart OTP on Thursday 14 July 1707.
Mary seems to be the only one who appears.
No clue about the Bloomer/Millart name.


1/2. Thomas Lister, ch St Leonard 1/11/1747PR      AM09/99

Alternative:
Thomas Lister:

Ch: St Leonard, Broseley, 12/9/1733PR
Parents: Thomas & Mary Lister
Or:
Ch: St Leonard, Broseley, 5/10/1735PR
Parents: John & Elenour (only child, no marriage, several Johns)
A Thomas Lyster bur Broseley 13/10/1735, no affidavit

Married: Mary Bradley  3/8/1760, St Leonard, Broseley, by BannsPR.
Issue:
1/1.  Mary Lister, ch St Leonard 26/4/1761.

A Mary Lister, dau of Thomas Lyster bur 31/7/1779.

1/2. Thomas Lister, ch St Leonard 16/1/1763. PR      AM09/99
1/3. Anne Lister, ch St Leonard 27/12/1764.


JOHN BRADLEY - 1710

AM10/201


Ch: 1/3/1709-10.PR
Parents: Morris & Elizabeth (Rogers) Bradley
Married: Mary Bevan, 20/12/1734, BroseleyPR.


MARY BEVAN - 1712

AM10/202

Ch: 28/1/1712, St Mary Magdalene, BridgnorthPR.
Parents: Thomas & Elizabeth (Clea).
This Mary Bevan is the only suitable one found in the area parish records, although seems rather far from Broseley (7 miles).
Or Benthall 5/4/1716 of Thomas & Elizabeth Beaven.

Or 13/10/1717, Shrawardine, ex William & Ann.   (prob too young)
Married: John Bradley, 20/12/1734, Broseley.

Issue of John Bradley & Mary Bevan (ch @ Broseley - PR chkd):
1/1.  Maurice Bradley, ch Broseley, 7/9/1735.
1/2. Mary Bradley, ch Broseley, 11/12/37.
1/3. John Bradley, ch Broseley, 2/5/42, bur 4/5/1742
1/4. John Bradley, ch Broseley, 10/4/43. bur 8/12/1751
1/5. Ann Bradley, ch Broseley, 1/9/45.
1/6. George Bradley, ch Broseley, 15/1/49. bur 8/12/1751
1/7. Francis Bradley, ch Broseley, 14/7/51.          AM09/101


SAMUEL LYSTER

AM10/205

IGI:
Samuell Lister, Broseley, 18/1/1694 of Sam & Rosamond
Bur 8/2/1693-4 Broseley
Samuell Lister, Broseley, 24/10/1698 of Sam & Rosamond
CH:


(A) Sam Listor, Broseley, 15/4/1714, of Tho & Jane
(B) Sam Listor, Broseley, 25/2/1721, of Tho & Mary.

Married Elizabeth Roden, Broseley, 1/5/1747.

ELIZABETH RODEN - 1715

AM10/206


Ch: 08/11/1715, Broseley (deaths chkd to 1738)
Parents: Samuel & Elizabeth Roden.

Or B. 6/2/1720 of Samuel & Ann, Quakers.

From an age point of view, this is the most likely.
She was buried as wife of Samuel 16/12/1754, Broseley.


Issue of Samuel & Elizabeth (Roden) Lister:
1/1. Samuel Roden Lister, Broseley, 21/2/1747-8
1/2. William Lyster, ch 3/1/1749, Barrow.         AM09/103
1/3. Elisabeth Lyster, ch 5/11/1751 Barrow.
1/4. Elizabeth Lister, ch 16/4/1754, Broseley.

FRANCIS BRADLEY - 1716

AM10/207


The father of Elizabeth Bradley

Ch2PR: 22/5/1716, BenthallPR.
Parents: Francis & Jane Bradley. The only one recorded in the right age.
Buried2: Francis Bradley, Collier, Benthall, 29/11/1765 - probably him.
Married2: Elizabeth Derby 26/8/1740, Benthall (PR TR no further info)

ELIZABETH DARBY - 1718

AM10/208

 

Ch2PR: 30/3/1718, Broseley
(IGI shows spouse of Francis B b abt 1718)
PR Eliza dau of Will. Darby & Jane.

Parents: William & Jane. (note mother's name & 3 dau called Jane).
Bur Elizabeth Bradley, Benthall, widow, 22/2/1783PR.
It is possible that this was one of the same family as Abraham Darby, ironmaster at Coalbrookdale, and Abraham the Elder was born at Woodsetton, just north of Dudley, and close to Tipton, but there is no Elizabeth listed.

The family of Abraham Darby is recorded in the Shropshire Quaker records, but does not seem to have had an Elizabeth.

This looks unlikely, too far away.
William ch 5/12/97 ex Thomas & Sarah Alveley, Shrops.
Siblings: Thomas (22/12/1700), Jane (18/4/1703), William (3/3/06), Mary (13/5/08), Anne (18/2/11), Mary (18/4/1714).
IGI has:

Thomas Darby marrying Sarah 1696 Alveley – not found on LDS or Findmypast – the only one being Thomas marrying Sarah Hipkice, Tipton, 3/7/1695.

Thomas ch Much Wenlock 1/11/1644 of John & Mary.

Issue of Francis Bradley & Elizabeth Darby (IGI & PRTR, Benthall):
1/1. 2PRWillm Bradley, ch Benthall 28/12/1740.
1/2. 2PRJane Bradley, ch Benthall 30/1/43.
1/3. 2PRFrancis Bradley, ch Benthall 2/2/1744-5.

Bur Broseley, 31/5/1814 Age 69 of Broseley, or

22/5/1815 Age 71 of Broseley
M. 19/5/1766, St L. Mary Pickering.  (IGI several poss Mary's)
Issue, (IGI & PR TR):
2/1. Fanny (St L 9/11/1766),
2/2. Francis (Bentall 31/1/1768),
2/3. Mary (Bentall 26/1/70),
2/4. Geo. (Bent. 9/10/74),
2/5. Arthur (Bent. 24/11/76).

1/4. 2Joyce Bradley, dau of Francis & Elizabeth

bur Benthall 29/2/1744. No birth found.

1/5. 2PRMary Bradley, ch Benthall 29/11/47.
1/6. 2PRElizabeth Bradley, ch Benthall 14/7/50.         AM09/104
1/7. 2PRJane Bradley, ch Benthall 28/1/53 - no burial found.
1/8. 2PRJane Bradley, ch Benthall 31/8/55.
1/9. 2PRArthur Bradley, ch Benthall 9/7/58.
1/10. 2PRJane Bradley, ch Benthall 14/7/61.

Other Bradleys at Benthall were:
George & Jane (s John, 31/5/1752)
George & Eleanor (Edward 10/1/1761)
Sarah Bradley, widow, bur 7/5/1748.




 

11.      ******************** GENERATION 11-13 *******************



WILLIAM LISTER

AM11/393


The only ch of a William Lester found was in Wombourne, 4/7/1689 of Mary Lester, which does not look very likely.

Issue of William & Elizabeth:
1/1. William Lister, ch Broseley 6/8/1716 of William & ELizabeth:
1/2. Michael Lister, 20/5/1722
1/3. Elizabeth Lister 11/11/1723
1/4. Jane Lister 1/5/1726.
No marriage of William & Elizabeth found.

AM12/785:

Several John's, none very convincing.
1.  ch 14/11/1686, ex Samuel & Rosamund, Broseley.  PR
2.  ch 29/5/1692, ex John & Catherine, Broseley.  PR

Issue of John & Eleanor, no marriage found.

Other Listers at Broseley:

Thomas Lister
ch 29/5/1635, St Leonard’s, Bridgnorth (Broseley?).
Parents: Charles & Elizabeth
Siblings: John (10/5/1643)

Samuel Lister
ch 16/11/1656, Broseley (PR)
Parents: Thomas & Isabel
Siblings: Eliz. (12/12/1652 PR), Edward (15/10/1654 PR), Rosamund (6/2/1659 PR), Richard (30/9/1660 PR), Anne (26/11/1663 PR), Mary (18/11/66 PR)

Samuel Lyster married Rosamund Roberts 30/9/1683, BroseleyPR

MORRIS BRADLEY - 1679

AM11/401

(AF 1LJC-VW)
Ch: 31/8/1679, Broseley (Maurice on bth) PR.
Parents: Thomas & Alice Bradley.
Bur: Broseley 11/7/1713 – the only one listed in the era.
An Elizabeth Bradley, widow buried at Benthall 3/1/1716.
Married: Elizabeth Rogers, 15/5/1709.
Many Elizabeth Rogers' on PR – nearest Tong, 29/9/1681 of Thomas & Elizabeth on FMP.
Issue:
1/1. John Bradley, (1/3/1710),
1/2. Mary Bradley, (20/1/1712).



THOMAS BEVAN

AM11/403


This looks to be the most probable:
Ch: 10/7/1684, Cleobury Mortimer.
Parents: Thomas & Margt. Beavon
Married: Elizabeth Clea 14/2/1711-2, Bridgnorth. (no others match).
      (Several Elizabeth Clea's at Bitterley, 1668, 1683, 1685).

Issue (ch St Mary Magdalene, Bridgnorth):
1/1. Mary Bevan, 28/1/1712.                          AM10/202
1/2.  Thomas Bevan. 17/1/1714.

Possible issue on IGI:
2/1. Anne Bevan, 31/10/1731.
2/2. John Bevan, 24/2/1734.

1/3. Samuel Bevan, 10/2/1717.
1/4. David Bevan, 25/8/1720.


THOMAS LISTER – 1672

AM11/409 or AM12/817

 

CH: 27/5/1672 of Humphrey & Elizabeth, Brosley, most probable
Humphrey Married Elizabeth Smith 3/1/1663.

(A) Married Jane Lane, 22/7/1695, Broseley.
Issue of Thomas & Jane at Broseley
Thomas      Lister      07/04/1696  Possibly AM11/409

Richard     Lister      01/11/1697

Elizabeth   Lister      16/11/1701, prob bur 5/9/1715.

William     Lister      14/05/1704

Margaret    Lister      02/04/1707

Margaret    Lister      19/06/1709

Samuel      Lister      15/04/1714

It is possible that the Thomas married to Mary was the eldest son of Thomas & Jane: no other suitable Thomas has been found, and Thomas & Mary’s first born daughter was named Jane.
(B) Married Mary – not found.
Bur Mary, wife of Thomas Lister, Broseley 7/2/1734

Issue of Thomas & Mary at Broseley:
Elizabeth Lister 12/11/1716

Jane Lister 02/08/1719, Prob bur 1/12/1725

Samuel Lister 25/02/1720-1                      AM10/205

Thomas Lyster 31/03/1723, Prob bur 20/11/1725

Anne Lister 17/01/1727

Michael Lyster 16/01/1731

Thomas Lister 20/05/1731

Mary Lyster 04/02/1732

John Lyster 16/03/1734

SAMUEL RODEN - 1685

AM11/411


B 15/3/1685, Quaker record, ch Broseley Anglican 24/3/1684-5
Parents: Samuel & Jane Roden.
 
Married (A) Ann Powel, 26/12/1711, Broseley, Quaker
From an age point of view, this is the most likely.

Samuel, son of Samuel & Jane, Carpenter of Broseley
Ann dau of John & Elizabeth Powel of Tockington, Glos.
Issue of Samuel & Ann, Broseley Quaker:
1/1. Grace Roden b. 16/11/1712

1/2. Esther Roden b. 19/7/1715

1/3. Sargeant Roden b. 22/11/1717

1/4. Elizabeth Roden b. 6/2/1720

1/5. Jane Roden b. 30/9/1720

She was buried as wife of Samuel 16/12/1754, Broseley.

Quaker records:
Whereas it doth appear by the monthly meeting of the people called Quakers held at Salop that on the 8th day of the 9th month 1711 Samuel Roden Carpenter son of Samuel Roden of Broseley in the county of Salop and Ann Powel daughter of John Powel of Tockington in the county of Gloucester, did publickly declare their intention of taking each other in marriage, and whereas by the report of two persons appointed by the said meeting to enquire of the clearness of the said Samuel Roden and Ann Powel from all others, made at the next months meeting of the people aforesaid held at Broseley on the 9th day of the 10th month anno domini 1711
There appearing nothing to obstruct the sd marriage we whose names are hereunto subscribed do certifie that on the 26th day of the 10th month called December in the year of our lord 1711 They the said Samuel Roden and Ann Powell appeared in a public assembly at the public meeting house in Broseley where Samuel Roden taking Ann Powell by the hand did openly declare that in the presence of Almighty god and before this assembly he took Ann Powell to be his wife and Ann Powell whilst holding Samuel Roden by his hand did mutually promis each other to live together by god’s assistance as husband and wife in love, and faithfulness according to God’s holy ordinance until by death they should be separated or words to that effect.
Witness Abraham Darby, Jone Darby, Thomas Harrison, Mary Langley

next part: Ann Powel dau of John & Elizabeth Powel.

Married (B) Elizabeth Legg 14/7/1708, Broseley, Anglican
Issue of Samuel & Elizabeth, Broseley Anglican:
1/1. Joyce        17090426

1/2. Jane         17110823

1/3. Samuel       17140330

1/4. Elizabeth          17151108

1/5. Mary 17180501

1/6. Samuel       17200603

2 Elizabeth Leggs, either could be the one, no relevant burials or Wills:
ch 10/10/1680 of Richard & Elizabeth, Broseley
ch 14/3/1683 of John & Ann, Broseley.

Samuel Roden ch Broseley of James & Joan, 29/2/1679-80
James Roden married Joan Hoodley, Benthall 24/5/1677.

A number of wills & administrations are on file, but none seem relevant: they relate to a yeoman family at Kemberton & Sutton Maddock at the turn of the 17-18thC.



FRANCIS BRADLEY - 1680

AM11/413


IGI:
ch: 19/9/1680, BenthallPR - best bet.
Parent: William Stanyer & Mary Bradley. No marriage found.
PR seems as though the father was William Stanyer, probably both forenames.
Married: Jane (from children's Bapt), no marriage found.
This is probably this couple:
Buried Benthall, Jane Bradley wife of Francis 31/10/1734
Buried Benthall, Francis Bradley 3/12/1736
Issue IGI/PR:
1/1. 2PRMargery Bradley, ch Benthall, 21/4/1706.
1/2. 2PRMary Bradley, ch Benthall, 30/5/1708.
1/3. 2PRElizabeth Bradley, ch Benthall, 14/2/1711
1/4. 2PRJane Bradley, ch Benthall, 30/8/1713.
1/5. 2PRFrancis Bradley, ch Benthall, 22/5/1716.   AM10/207
1/6. 2PRLarans Bradley, ch Benthall, 23/2/1718.

Probably married Sarah, issue, inter alia:
2/1. 2William Bradley, 14/4/1751
2/2. 2Mary Bradley, 29/2/1756.

1/7. 2PRMartha Bradley, ch Benthall, 24/4/1720.
1/8. 2PRJoyce Bradley, ch Benthall, 28/4/1723.
1/9. 2PRJoyce Bradley, ch Benthall, 13/5/1726.

Sarah Bradley, ch Benthall, 3/9/25, dau of Edward & Sarah.


THOMAS BRADLEY

AM12/801


IGI Best Bet:
Possible Ch: 11/3/1638, Broseley.  (AF: 1632, Broseley)
Parents: Nathaniel & Margaret.
Married: Alice (nil on IGI, AF b abt 1636, Broseley)

Issue of Thomas & Alice Bradley PR Printed shown:
1/1. John Bradley, ch Broseley, 21/2/1657.

Ref Ancestral File, submitted by AF83-046732, M/F 1394207
Loyn Blacker, 905 East St, Rupert, ID, USA 83350.
Married: Sarah Cullis (1LJB-Q3)
dau of Thomas [b. 28/6/1635, Broseley, s of Hugh & Eleanor] & Katherine Cullis
Chr.: 23 Dec 1660 Broseley, Shrops., England
Issue:
2/1. Anne Bradley (1LJC-7M)

Chr.: 17 Feb 1683/4 Benthall, Shrops, Eng

2/2. William Bradley (1LJB-MK)

Chr.:  8 Feb 1686/7 Benthall, Shrops., England
Married: Eleanor Rowley (1LJB-NQ)
Dau of William & Sarah [Taylor dau of Henry & Isabell] Rowley
Chr.: 21 Feb 1681/2 Broseley, Shrops., England
3/1. William Bradley (1LJC-3X)

Chr.: 10 Oct 1710 Benthall, Shrops, Eng

3/2. Joyce Bradley (1LJC-44)

Chr.: 25 Oct 1713 Benthall, Shrops, Eng

3/3. John Bradley (1LJB-K7)

Chr.: 26 Feb 1715/6 Benthall, Shrops., England
Married: Ann Hiatt (1LJB-LD)
Born: Abt 1717 Of St. John, Bedwardine, Worcs.
4/1.  Mary Bradley (1LJC-1L)

Chr.: 29 Jun 1739 Tewkesbury, Gloucs, Eng

4/2. Elizabeth Bradley (1LJ5-V3)

Chr.: 27 Sep 1741 Tewkesbury, Gloucs.
Married: Charles Wilkes (1LJ5-TW)
Born: Abt 1740 Of Tewkesbury, Gloucs.

4/3. Ann Bradley (1LJC-2R)

Chr.:  9 Mar 1744/5 Tewkesbury, Gloucs.

3/4. Jane Bradley (1LJC-59)

Born: Abt 1717 Benthall, Shrops.

3/5. Elizabeth Bradley (1LJC-6G)

Chr.: 19 Jan 1723 Benthall, Shrops, Eng

2/3. John Bradley (1LJC-8S)

Chr.: 17 Jan 1689/90 Benthall, Shrops, Eng

2/4. Edward Bradley (1LJC-90)

Chr.: 10 Aug 1692 Benthall, Shrops, Eng

2/5. Esther Bradley (1LJC-B5)

Chr.:  1 Dec 1695 Benthall, Shrops, Eng

2/6. Sarah Bradley (1LJC-CB)

Chr.: 20 Oct 1700 Benthall, Shrops, Eng

1/2. Mary Bradley, ch Broseley, 24/4/59.
1/3. Laurence Bradley, ch Broseley, 19/4/62.

Laurence & Elizabeth Bradeley had son Francis 20/6/1727, Broseley.

1/4. Thomas Bradley, ch Broseley, 29/10/64.
1/5. William Bradley, ch Broseley, 29/3/71.
1/6. Adam Bradley, ch Broseley, 21/9/1674.
1/7. Richard Bradley, ch Broseley, 28/12/1677,
1/8. Maurice Bradley, ch Broseley, 31/8/1679 PR.      AM11/401

Note gap 1664-71.


SAMUEL RODEN.

AM12/821


This one of two possible lines, but the most probable.
Ch: 11/12/1655, Broseley
Parents: Richard & Elizabeth Roden (the only relevant one found)
died Samuel Roden snr 17/7/1725, bur 20/7, Quaker
Died Jane, wife of Samuel, 6/4/1717, Quaker, Broseley
No marriage of Samuel & Jane.

Richard Roden & Elizabeth Jones married 7/11/1650, Broseley

Issue of Samuel & Jane, Quaker:
1/1. Samuel Roden, Quaker, b. 15/3/1685, ch Anglican 24/3/1684-5

1/2. Elizabeth Roden b. 18/5/1683

1/3. Rachel Roden b. 5/9/1692

1/4. Jane Roden, b. 23/10/1689


NATHANIEL BRADLEY

AM13/1601


B: Abt 1610 of Broseley, Shropshire, England (IGI & Printed PR).
No marriage found
Bur Nathaniel Bradley, 16/3/1671-2, Broseley.
Bur Margaret Bradley, 1/3/1691, Broseley widow.
Issue of Nathaniel & Margaret Bradley:
1/1. Elizabeth Bradley C: 24 Jun 1632 Broseley, Shropshire PR.
1/2. Elenor Bradley C: 21 Mar 1634/5 Broseley, Shropshire PR.
1/3. Thoms. Bradley C: 11 Mar 1637/8 Broseley, Shropshire PR.
1/4. Johis.  Bradeley C: 4 Apr 1641 Broseley, Shropshire PR.
1/5. Richard Bradley C: 5 Mar 1643/4 Broseley, Shropshire PR.
1/6. Jane Bradley C: 29 Aug 1647 Broseley, Shropshire PR.


RICHARD RODEN

AM13/1641

No suitable baptism found.
Bur as senior, Broseley 2/10/1674.
Elizabeth prob bur Broseley. 11/7/1676, widow.
Married Elizabeth Jones, Broseley, 7/11/1650.
Issue of Richard & Elizabeth Roden, ch. Broseley
1/1. John Roden, ch. 16530130

1/2. Richard Roden, ch. 16/9/1651 Bur as jnr 27/2/1674-5.

1/3. Joseph Roden, ch. 16610414

1/4. Joseph Roden, ch. 16620508, bur same day

1/5. Joseph Roden, ch. 16631115

1/6. Mary Roden, ch. 16610414, bur 8/5/1662

1/7. Roger Roden, ch. 16650716

1/8. Samuel Roden, ch. 16551211

1/9. Richard Roden, ch. 16510916



Nearby Broseley was the pipemaking capital of the world - well almost. Pipes, for smoking tobacco, were made there from the mid 1500s until the late 1950s I believe. My family came from Benthall and were pipemakers from c1660 until WW1. As pipes are regularly dug up there is a big interest in them archaeologically as most were stamped with the makers initials. They are useful for dating purposes so any details on a pipemaker are most welcome by archaeologists. The pipemaking families of the Severn Gorge inter-married and were very closely knit hence my interest in other pipemaking families.

Below is a list of known Bradley pipemakers:

AB Andrew Bradley       Broseley         c1690 1730
EB Edward Bradley       Bridgnorth   1861 1871       c1854 1871+
EB Elizabeth Bradley    Bridgnorth      1871    +1871+
GB George Bradley       Broseley                C18
GB George Bradley       Broseley     1783 1788       +1783 1788
HB Henry Bradley        Benthall              c1660 1700
IB John Bradley Broseley                C18
IB John Bradley Broseley             1828 1834       +1828 1834+
MB Mary Bradley Bridgnorth      1871    +1871+
RB Richard Bradley      Broseley     1851 1861       +1851 1861+
WB William Bradley      Bridgnorth   1841 1871       c1831 1871+

If any are likely to be of interest to you I can send more details.

Regards

Peter



 

12.      HUGHES FAMILY




A sketch of Lea in about 1833 done by Revd Edward Pryce Owen is in the Shropshire Archives, ref 6001/201 P38.

“Lea, Wellington, Salop. From this place Charlton castle was supplied with spring water”.


Wrockwardine Wood


 

JOHN HUGHES - 1767

AM07/31


From Shropshire PR printed, and original:
John, s of John of the Lea and Mary, bap 20/4/1767, Wrockwardine.

The fact that he was "of the Lea" makes this the most likely candidate, and the age is similar to that from 1841 Census, although does not agree with the 1851 and d/c and burial figures.

Alternative: Jn Hughes C: 1 Jan 1762
Father: Wm Hughes, Wellington, Shropshire, Mother: Judith
This John buried 5/12/1768, Wellington.

Buried Wrockwardine: 8/4/1851 aged 88.
("Died Bilston, but his usual abode the ... his? wife? was Lea in this p.")
Death Cert: died 4/4/1851 at New Village, Bilston, aged 89, formerly farmer, informant Thomas Lloyd of New Village, Bilston.
1851 Census: aged 89.

Thomas Lloyd was presumably the husband of his daughter, Martha.
   Lodging with Thomas & Martha in 1851 were William Adams (spelling?) aged 57 and Elizabeth Adams, a widow of 23. No indication if they were related.

   The father of Hannah Hughes, he was a farmer at The Lea, Wrockwardine, near Wellington, Shropshire. He rented just over 21 acres (about 8 ha) from the Duke of Cleveland in Charlton township, astride the Watling Street (A5).
   A John Hughes also owned 2 cottages in Wrockwardine which were rented to John Hall: it is assumed that this was our John Hughes. He died in Bilston, where he must have been visiting or living with family. By 1851, there appeared to be only one Hughes family in Wellington/Wrockwardine (Edward, b. 1802).

Married at Wrockwardine: John Hughes bachelor OTP married Anne Davies of Holy Cross, Shrewsbury, spinster, 22/1/1806, by lic. (PR & IGI)

ANN DAVIES


A.com & IGI & PR Transcript:
Ann, dau of Thomas & Marg't b 11/7/1777, ch 15/8. St Chad, Shrewsbury.
Seems old, but agrees with age at death.

Died: Ann Hughes of Lea bur Wrockwardine 23/1/1842 aged 67.
D/C: died 17/1/1842 at The Lea, age 68, wife of John Hughes, labourer, abscess of liver, informant Martha Hughes (her mark) of the Lea.

Issue of Thomas & Margaret Davies:
IGI has a number of marriages in Shropshire during the period.

From the children’s dates, the most suitable marriage was:
Margaret Jones, 15/7/1775, Great Ness. IGI only – PR not available on line.

Maria Davies, ch 11/2/1776, St Chad.
Ann Davies, ch 15/8/1777, St Chad.
John Davies, b 21/9/1781, ch 15/10/1781, St Chad, d. 1/4/1786.
Eliz Davies, ch 15/9/1782, St Chad
Willm Davies, ch 9/12/1783, St Chad.
Sarah Davies, b. 9/6/1784, ch 1/8/1784, St Chad
Martha Davis, ch 15/6/1785, St Mary.

James Davies, ch 18/3/1768, Wellington.
Eliz Davies, ch 15/1/1771, Wellington.
Jn Davies, ch 31/5/1776, Wellington.
John Davies, 26/12/1778, Wellington.
Phebe Davies, 10/1/1783, Wellington.


On the IGI the following alternatives are shown, but neither agree with age at burial.

Born (1) C: 16 Jun 1771 B: 20 May 1771
Parents: Thos. & Ann Davies, Saint Chad, Shrewsbury, Shropshire,

Born (2) C: 22 Jul 1770
Parents: Robert & Mary Davies, Saint Martins, Shropshire,

St Martins: of Robert Davies of the Rock, sawyer, and Mary:

Mary, ch 9/10/1768
Ann, ch 22/7/1770
Robert, b 9/4/1773, ch 17/4/73
Rebecca, b 4/8/1775, ch 13/8/75
Sarah, d of RD Rock, bur 1/12/1780
Robert D, blacksmith, & Mary Boodle, banns, 20/5/1755.
St Chad:
Bur woollen, Thos, d of Robt & Mary b. 17/8/1764, bur 23/9/64.
Robert, s of Robert & Mary, labourer, born 11/4/1780, ch 16/4
Robert, s of Robert Davies, bap 19/1/1767, bur 20/1/1767
Eliz, dau of R&M born 3/8/1770, bur 19/8/1770
Eliz, dau of R&M, born 11/9/1776, bap 6/10/1776
Willm, s of R&M born 28/4/1774., bur 3/2/1781
Geo & William s of R&M born 25/9/1778.

 

Issue of John & Ann Hughes:
(only Ann found on IGI: 2/2001, were the rest in Wellington - not on IGI - not found on Wellington PR either)
1/1. Mary Hughes, 1806
1/2. Elizabeth Hughes, 1816
1/3. Martha Hughes, 1812-6

(Census's 41 & 51, if same person, disagree) None found 1861 – too many.
Ref Census, married Thomas Lloyd, Issue:
2/1. Amey Lloyd, b abt 1844, Lear (Lea?)
2/2. Thomas Lloyd, b. abt 1847, Lear.
2/3. Eliza Lloyd, b. abt 1850, Lear.

1/4. John Hughes, 1817 (age from C41 - unreliable?).

John Hughes of Lea bur Wrockwardine, 5/11/1843 aged 34

1/5. Ann (Hannah) Hughes, 7/5/1820, Wrockwardine.

QR441/172 1854 Q3 – John Hughes, deceased, Wrockwardine, inqstn.
John Hughes of Wrockwardine, died 10 May 1855 of mortal scalds. Coroner’s court, with jury.

1842/Q3, QR383/156 Martha Hughes, spin, Wrockwardine, recognizance
(summons to appear before the ¼ sessions as witness).
24/6/1842, Martha Hughes of Overley Hill, Wrockwardine, spinster, assigns £50, to appear at next sessions at Shrewsbury, to prefer a bill of Indictment against Elizabeth Haywood, wife of Thomas Haywood of Uckington, labourer, for stealing a gown, her property.

Tithe Apportionments:

 
Charlton township, Wrockwardine Parish (#69), 1838:
Hughes, John (Lea) 21-0-32 acres of mixed pasture, meadow & arable, rented from Duke of Cleveland.
109, Far Bank & Old House Meadow - Meadow, 3-1-24
116, Cottage Garden, 0-3-7
117, Croft - Pasture, 0-0-22
118, Sidelong Piece, - Pasture, 0-2-36
119, Sidelong Piece, - Arable, 0-2-36
120, Far Leasow, - Meadow, 2-1-16
122, Saw Pit Leasow - Arable, 1-2-0
129, Clover Leasow - Arable, 3-1-4
130, Hill Leasow - Arable, 4-2-11
133, Sheep Leasow - Arable, 1-3-1
133a, Patch - Arable, 0-1-1

Leasow = pasture.

This holding was on either side of the Watling St (A5) London to Shrewsbury Rd, a few hundred yards east of the cross road between the A5 and the side road to Charlton hamlet.

The site was visited by A Maitland March 2005. The line of the Watling Street road is unchanged from that shown on the tithe map. The area where John Hughes' holdings lay is shown as having a small loop track to the North of the main road, with some buildings on it. This track has disappeared, although there is a trace of it in a depression in the field and a couple of Oaks beside it. The immediate area has been greatly changed by the building of the M54 just South of the holding area. It seems probable that the main farm to the west, between the Lea and Charlton has grown and taken in the surrounding land and buildings.


The Lea from a sketch album in Shropshire Archives. Parkes Maps & Images.

Hughes, John (Ocuby Hill???), Croft, 2-0-2 acres arable.

Wrockwardine township:
Hughes, John 2 cottages rented to John Hall.

1841 Census, Charlton:
John Hughes (hd, 75 farmer), Ann (68), Mary (35 or 55), Elizabeth (25), Martha (25), John (24), Charles (15), Margaret (5).

1851 Census: no sign of John & family.
Resevoir
1851 Census, Bealton:
Edward Hughes (49, Ag Lab, Dudley? Staffs) Mary (40, Ercal), Frances (8, W'dine), John (5, W'dine), Beth (1, W'dine).

1851 Census, New Village, Bilston:
Thomas Lloyd (45, Labourer in Iron Works, Montgomery?), Martha (39, Salop, unreadable), Amey (7, Lear, Salop), Thomas (4, Lear), Eliza (1, Lear), William Adams?? (lodger, 57, Blacksmith, N/Known), Elizabeth Adams?? (widow, 23, N/K), John Hughes (lodger, widower, 89, Lear).
Lear presumable = Lea

Miscellaneous references:

Census 41, Mossey Green, Wellington:
John Hughes (Labourer, 60), Elizabeth (50)
           Overley Hill:
John Hughes (65), Mary (65).

Other Hughes Found:
Burials @ Wrockwardine:
Hughes      Roseanna      18340812 of Wrockwardine age 28
                  (Thomas & Roseanna parents in Wellington 1829)
Hughes      Phillip       18290123 of Wellington
Hughes      John          18240905 of P. House, age 100
Hughes      John          18491130 of Broomfield age 75
Hughes      Harriet       18501106 of Bratton aged 3

There were also a number of Hughes' found in the 1841 Wellington township Census. Also found in the Tithe records:
Ketley, Wellington:
Elizabeth Hughes, House & Gdn from Duke of Sutherland.
Wellington Township, both near New St:
Mary Hughes, 12 houses - tenanted.
Eleanor Hughes, 2 houses to Enoch & Thomas Hughes.
John Hughes, tenant of William Lawley.



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From Ancestry.com PR online & IGI: Wrockwardine Also PR transcription.
Probable sequence (11/2003):

JOHN HUGHES - 1737

AM/08/61


Born: 18/4/1737, Wrockwardine,
Parents: John & Mary Hughes, "of the Lea" – she probably Shephard (PR Printed).

P316/L/8/19 Apr 27,1763 (Settlement examinations)

Examination of John Hughes, Wheelwright, 14yrs ago Apprentice to Jn Onions, Uppington, wheelwright, after 1 yr moved with Master to Aston, Wellington, after 5yrs they moved to Wroxeter. 5yrs ago hired as servant to Wm. Edwards, Whatling St. Wellington, wheelwright.

Married St Julian’s Shrewsbury (PR transcript):
26/1/1762: John Hughes of Wrockwardine, Wheelwright, Bachelor & Mary Roberts OTP, Spin, by licence.

MARY ROBERTS


There are a several alternatives born in Shrewsbury, without more information, it is not possible to choose, although the last mentioned is probably the correct one, being the same parish where she was married. There are no suitable wills listed.

(A) ch 17/6/1738 of Philip & Martha, St Chad’s
(B) ch 13/1/1739-40 of Thomas & Elizabeth St Mary’s
(C) ch 24/4/1739 of David & Mary, St Julian’s

Issue (Wrockwardine, Shropshire) - all PR:
1/1. John of J&M (privately) bap 7/3/1763 & bur 23/3/1763

(IGI & Acom)

1/2. Alice Hughes C: 1 Jul 1764 (IGI & A.com)
1/3. John Hughes, s of John of the Lea and Mary, bap 20/4/1767.

(IGI & Acom)

1/4. William Hughes C: 6 Oct 1769 (IGI & A.com)
1/5. Mary of J&M ch 21/5/1772, bur 16/2/1778 age 5 (IGI & Acom)
1/6. Martha Hughes C: 19/6/1775 (IGI & A.com)

Also on Acom:
1/7. Thomas, s of J&M ch 31/12/1780 Wrockwardine PR
1/8. Ann d of J&M bur 31/12/1799 Wrockwardine PR.



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JOHN HUGHES - 1712

Gen 9:

Born[31]: 23/8/1712, Wrockwardine. (IGI & Acom) PR
Parents: Edward & Alice (Pearce) Hughes, "Taylo(e)r of the Lea"

Prob Salop 23/9/1761 of Wrockwardine <£20, admon husbandman to Mary Hughes widow & relict. Died abt 7/10. 1761. No burial found.

Married26, Wrockwardine,
John Hughes, OTP & Mary Shephard of Wellington, mar 16/4/1732PR

MARY SHEPHARD - 1713

Ch: 13 Dec 1713 Wellington, IGI PR
Father: Richard & Sara Sheapard
No burial found. To 1810


Issue, Wrockwardine, Shropshire (All on PR transcript and Findmypast):
1/1. Alice d of J&M of the Lea, ch 5/6/1734 (IGI & Acom)
1/2. Mary of J&M ch 9/1/1735/6 (IGI & Acom)
1/3. John s of J&M of the Lea, ch 18/4/1737 (IGI & Acom)
1/4. Thomas s of J&M, ch 4/6/1738, prob bur 9/6/1749

(IGI & Acom)

1/5. William, s of J&M, ch 3/5/1741, Prob bur 17/12/1743

(IGI & Acom)

1/6. Edward, s of J&M ch 26/5/1745, bur 14/6/1746 (IGI & Acom)
1/7. Edward Hughes C: 5 Nov 1751 (IGI & A.com)

IGI Other alternatives:
Mary SHEPHERD C: 23 May 1714
Father: John SHEPHERD Deuxhill And Glazeley, Mother: Elizabeth
Mary SHEPHERD C: 9 Jun 1712
Mother: Mary SHEPHERD Quatt Malvern, Shropshire,
Mary SHEPHERD C: 29 Dec 1708
Father: John SHEPHERD  Ditton Priors, Shropshire, Mother: Mary


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EDWARD HUGHES - 1674

Gen 10:


Ch: 9/1/1673-4, Wrockwardine,PR
Parents: John & Judith (Bartlom) Hughes.
The only one on record.

Possible:
Edward Hughes of the Lea, bur 12/12/1737 (PR Transcript)

Administration available at Lichfield B/C/11
Prob Salop 28/4/1738 of Wrockwardine, Inv £4/10/0. John Hughes, son admon

Inventory of Edward Hughes of Rockwardine[32]
Appraised by George Smith & Thomas Ffelton 28/4/1738
One Cow           £2/0/0
The Goods in the House Place  £0/15/0
Goods in the Chamber one bed & other things     £1/5/0
and over the house a very old bed               £0/10/0
                                                £4/10/0

Edward Hughes of the Lea, tayler, and Alice dau of John Pearce? of the Brook m. 12/5/1708

ALICE PEARCE - 1672

Ch: 12/1/1671-2, Wrockwardine26.
Parents: John & Jane (Jones) Pearce
Alice wf of Edward Hughes of the Lea, bur Wrockwardine 20/11/1725

Issue, Wrockwardine, the only recorded child:
1/1. John, s of Edward of the Lea, taylor, bap 23/8/1712PR



RICHARD SHEPHARD


(Shephard spelling unified!)
Ch: 24/10/1684, Wellington PR
Parents: William & Jane (Owen) Shephard

Married: Sarah Degg, Wellington 10/9/1710 PR B(anns) Both OTP.
Nothing further on her, although Ann Degg ch Wellington of John, 28/5/1707, and a James & Ann were having children in the 1670’s & 80’s, so she might have been a child of them.

Sarah, wife of Richard Bur 23/9/1747, Wellington
Richard bur 20/10/1747 pauper

Issue, Wellington:
1/1. Mary Shephard, ch 13/12/1713,  PR
1/2. Thomas Sheapard C: 6 Mar 1719-20 PR NFI
Joan 26/5/1716 of Richard
Richard 8/3/1723-4 of Richard
Bur Sarah 9/6/1716 of Richard
Joan 5/3/1721 of Richard
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JOHN HUGHES

Gen 11:


No plausible birth found.

This is shown on the Findmypast index, but with no reference to an image: the PR image for this time does not show this entry.
John Hughes & Judith Bartlom, m 16/7/1658, Wrockwardine PR26

Issue, Wrockwardine, (Acom):
1/1. John Hughes, son of John bap 4/4/1662
1/2. David, s of J&J ch 30/5/1665 (IGI also) PR
1/3. Judith, d of J&J ch 17/9/1667 (IGI also) PR
1/4. Edward s of J&J, ch 9/1/1674 (IGI also) PR
Also on Acom:
John of Aston, bur 1/4/1684 pr

pr: John Hughes of the Wilmore bur 3/12/1660
PR William h bur w 23/12/1669

Possible:
John Hughes Bur Wrockwardine, 31/12/1674

Prob 26/3/1675 Wrockwardine inv 9/3/1674-5, £50/13/4. memo 26/12/1674 John Hughes of the Lea, Wrockwardine, bequeathed all to wife. Witnessed by Alice Jenks

Inventory of John Hughes[33]
March 7 1674 also 26 March 1675.
Mention of Charlton ref 19thC census’s

Imp. The lease of the house wherein he did live                         £4
The moneys due to the Testator in the hand of Thos Binell of Alscot       £10
In the hand of Roger Mannering of Charlton                              £10
2 Cows                                                                  £6
1 Horse                                                                 £2
12 sheep                                                                £2/10
4 beds with all the things belonging to them                            £6
Brass & Pewter                                                          £4
Trinen Ware                                                             £0/10
Bacon                                                                   £1
Iorne Ware as pott, pothooks and other materyalls belonging to his
oration                                                                 £0/10
Corne and Hay in the house and Barne and in the ground                  £2
Wearing Apparell                                                        £4
All things forgotten                                              £0/3/4


Other Early Hughes:
17/6/1624: William Hughes M Katherine Ashwood. P16
9/5/1638: David Hughes Bur (25)
4/4/1657: David Hughes Bur (32)
16/11/1648: Elizabeth Hughes (28)
1/1/1678-9 Mar Edward Hughes & Dorothy Edwards 51
23/4/1680 Bap Joyce dau of Edward & Dorothy Hughes 54
22/6/1671 Bur Elizabeth Tristram alias Hughes 44
30/12/1616 Bur Nicholas Hughes 12
14/12/1624: Bur Maude Hughes 17
17/6/1651: Bur Walter Hughes 30
17/6/1624: mar William Hughes & Katherine Ashwood 16.
30/3/1656-7: Bur Mary Wife of William Hughes 32
10/4/1657: Bur William Hughes 32
23/12/1669: Bur William Hughes 43

31/12/1799: Bur Ann dau of John Hughes & Mary (255)
12/10/1800: Bap John s of Richard & Mary Hughes (256)
10/1/1808: Bur Sarah, dau of John Hughes & Mary (267)
9/7/1809: Bap John, s of John Hughes & Mary (270)
23/6/1811: Bap John Base son of Mary Hughes (272)
4/8/1811: Mary dau of John Hughes & Mary (272)

15/5/1784: Mar Richard Manwaring b, Mary Hughes. (287)
7/5/1798: Mar Thomas Hughes & Mary Evans (by Thos Oliver, Minister) (294)
21/5/1810: mar John Welch & Mary Hughes (308)
13/11/1803: Mar Thomas Rolands & Mary Hughes (300)

Administration of William Hughes Lichfield 3/4/1661.


JOHN PEARCE


No birth found.
John Pearce of Longlane, bur Wrockwardine, 25/1/1680
John Pearse, of the Lea, pauper, bur 18/1/1715 (Acom)
Katherine Thomas, a servant of John Pearce, bur Wr 4/7/1675

John Pearce & Jane Jones mar Wrockwardine, 12/6/1665PR

JANE JONES


Ch 13/3/1643-4 Wrockwardine of Thomas.
No plausible marriage of Thomas found.
Jane, wf of John Pearce of the Brooke, bur 3/3/1710-1 pr

Issue of John & Jane Pearce, Wrockwardine:
1/1. Alice Pearce, ch 12/1/1671-2. pr 44
1/2. Mary Pearce, ch 21/5/1669 of J&JP (Acom). Pr p42
1/3. John Pearce, ch 18/5/1666 of J&JP[34]
1/4. Elizabeth, d of John & Jone ch 27/9/1672. pr 45

Ralph Pearce s of John bur 6/3/1678-9 (B 24 Jan of John & Isabel)

Also:
Robert Pearce Bu Wrockwardine, 18/7/1647.
Thomas Pearce of Admaston bur W 27/4/1670.
Ralph Pearce Bur W 21/5/1671.
Anne Pierce of ye Long Lane bur 24/8/1664.

Robert, s of John Pearce of Admaston, yeoman, ch 27/5/1711.
William, s of JP of Alscott, yeoman, ch 5/1/1703


WILLIAM SHEPHERD - 1659



William ch 12/4/1659 of Richard & Anne, Wellington
Died before July 1692.
No information on Richard & Ann.
No Shepherd wills found.

M: 25 May 1681  Jane Owen Wrockwardine, Shropshire PR no further info.

JANE OWEN


None of these look very plausible: Owen is a common Welsh name, so there would have been many around.
Jane OWIN C: 9 May 1661
Father: John OWIN Newport, Shropshire, Mother: Ellen
Jane OWEN C: 3 Sep 1660
Father: Thomas OWEN Lilleshall, Shropshire, Mother: Jane
Jane OWEN C: 9 Jun 1660
Father: Hugh OWEN  Saint Chad, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, Mother: Mary 

Ancestry.com:
Martha, d of Hugh Owen, bur 30/6/1667, St Chad
Hannah, d of Hugh & Margaret Owen, ch 1/10/1657, St Chad
Jane, d of Hugh & Mary, ch 9/6/1660        

Issue of William & Jane/Jone: Wellington, Shropshire (IGI):
1/1. Richard Shepherd C: 24 Oct 1684
1/2. William Shepherd C: 8 Sep 1682
1/3. Sarah Shepherd C: 24 Jul 1692, posthumous dau of William.



 

13.      Other Lister Stories

 

Apprentices

 

Lister

 

Bradley

London Apprenticeship Abstracts, 1442-1850

First name(s)     Lawrence Bradley

Apprentice year   1717

Livery company    Blacksmith

Details: Bradley, William son of Lawrence, Broseley, Shropshire, collier to John Baynham 4 Feb 1713/4 <7 Mar 1716/7 turned over to William Nordum, citizen and dyer>, Blacksmiths' Company

Birth county      Shropshire

William Bradley

Role  Master

Indenture or registration year      1718

Indenture year    1718

Premium     £5 .0s 0d

Place Perryfields, Shropshire

Apprentice's first name(s)    Thomas Dale

Apprentice's place      Perryfields, Shropshire

Apprentice's parent's first name(s) Mary

Master's first name(s)  William Master's last name    Bradley

Master's occupation     Locksmith

Master's place    Perryfields

Master's county   Shropshireritain, Country Apprentices 1710-1808

First name(s)     William

Last name   Bradley

Role  Apprentice

Indenture or registration year      1720

Indenture year    1720

Premium     £0. 5s 0d

Place Broseley

County      Shropshire

Apprentice's first name(s)    William

Apprentice's last name  Bradley

Apprentice's place      Broseley

Apprentice's county     Shropshire

Apprentice's parent's first name(s) Edward

Master's first name(s)  John

Master's last name      Goulden

Master's occupation     Ship carpenter

Master's place    Broseley

Master's county   Shropshire


Palmer

First name(s)     William

Last name   Palmer

Role  Master

Indenture or registration year      1804

Indenture year    1804

Registration year 1804

Place Old Swinford

County      Worcestershire

Apprentice's first name(s)    Elijah

Apprentice's last name  Pagett

Master's first name(s)  William

Master's last name      Palmer

Master's occupation     Leather cutter

Master's place    Old Swinford

 

First name(s)     William

Last name   Palmer

Role  Master

Indenture or registration year      1799

Indenture year    1799

Registration year 1799

Place Oldswinford

County      Worcestershire

Apprentice's first name(s)    Joshua

Apprentice's last name  Coley

Master's first name(s)  William

Master's last name      Palmer

Master's occupation     Cordwainer

Master's place    Oldswinford

 

First name(s)     William

Last name   Palmer

Role  Master

Indenture or registration year      1780

Indenture year    1780

Registration year 1781

Place Ripple

County      Worcestershire

Apprentice's first name(s)    John

Apprentice's last name  Mathews

Master's first name(s)  William

Master's last name      Palmer

Master's occupation     Cordwainer

Master's place    Ripple

Master's county   Worcestershire

 

First name(s)     William

Last name   Palmer

Role  Master

Indenture or registration year      1772

Indenture year    1772

Premium     £6 .0s 0d

Place Upton upon Severn

County      Worcestershire

Apprentice's first name(s)    John

Apprentice's last name  Davis

Master's first name(s)  William

Master's last name      Palmer

Master's occupation     Cordwainer

Master's place    Upton upon Severn

Master's county   Worcestershire

 

The Broseley Anti-Felons

By JOHN CRAGG

This article was originally published in the Wilkinson Journals 9 and 11 - 1981&83

(Extracts only, see Full Text)

“The Anti-Felons” was the name by which they were popularly known. Their full title was “The Broseley Association for the Prosecution of Felons”. They were one of many such associations existing in the 18th, 19th and well into the 20th centuries, which originally had the sole purpose of bringing petty criminals to justice. They flourished in the days prior to the compulsory establishment of borough and county police forces.

The Prestwich family were vintners. Early in the 19th century they left Broseley for London where their trade flourished. Joseph Prestwich married Catherine Blakeway in 1809 in Broseley. They had a son Joseph who became Professor of Geology at Oxford and was the author of a well-known work on “The Coalbrookdale Coalfield”. After the departure of the Prestwich family for London their business in Broseley was taken over by the Listers.

At the Anti-Felons’ meeting held on April 20th, 1820, at the Fox Inn, Broseley, a new committee was formed consisting of: Mr. A. Brodie, Mr W. Hazeldine (represented by Mr. Thomson), Mr. W. Fifield, Mr. Thos. Roberts, Mr. Jno. Lister, Mr. Abr. Wyke, Mr. Samuel Roden, Mr. Geo. Hartshorne. Any four of these men could act in conjunction with the Treasurer who had been in office since before 1789.


LISTERS AND BRADLEYS in BROSELEY DIRECTORIES



Pigots & Tibnams, 1822, 1828 & 1835.

Hop and Seed Merchants:
Lister John and Son, Broseley: 1822, 1828 (and wine & spirit),
Lister Thomas, Broseley: 1835

Maltsters
Lister John and Son, Broseley: 1822, 1828
Lister Thomas, Broseley: 1835

Wine & Spirit Merchants
Lister John and Son, Broseley 1822, 1828
Lister Thomas, Broseley: 1835
Thomas Lister, 1841: Winemerchant, High St, Broseley, aged 40.

Public Houses:
Elephant, John Bradley, Broseley: 1828
Elephant & Castle, Edwd. Lister, Broseley: 1835
Edward Lister 1841: Elephant St, Innkeeper, aged 65.
Spirit Vaults, Thomas Lister, Ironbridge: 1835

Retailers of Beer
Lisseter William, Ironbridge 1835

WATCH & CLOCK MAKERS.
Lister William, Iron bridge: 1828
Lisseter William, Ironbridge: 1835

Surgeons
Lister John Matthews, Broseley 1835

Listers in 1838 Tithe Apportionment:

Davenport, John; 
Thomas Lister, 800, Upper Brier Acre, Arable, 5/1/30
               846, Lower Brier Acre, Arable, 5-2-5
Forrester, Lord;
John Lister,    78, Garden, 0-0-13
         300a, House & Garden (H&G), relet to John Brown, 0-0-25
               407, H&G, relet to George Mason
Thomas Lister,  159, Barn Field, Yard, poole
                379a, H&G, Shop, relet to Francis Glaze
                907, Pitch Hirst, Meadow, 5-2-5
Edward Lister,  214, Elephant & Castle PH
                215a, House & Yard, relet to Edward Glover
                215b, Shop, relet to Francis Littlehayes
                215c, Shop, relet to John Fenton.
                327, H&G, relet to Thomas Higginson
                217b, House & Yard, relet to Francis Littlehayes
John Roper      251e, H&G, relet to Lucy Roper
                251f, H&G, relet to George Jones
                251g, H&G, relet to Thomas Farmer
George Bradley  387d, H&G
John Raby       397a, H&G, relet to Samuel Morris
Thomas Morris   548c, H&G
Towing Path Co  767, H&G used as storehouse & Garden, relet to Richard B                         
Francis Bradley 923b, H&G
Thomas Morris   1071b, H&G

William Gwynn:
Edward Lister   29g, House
Francis Blythe Herries:
Edward Lister   505, Garden in Worf Field
                508, Worf Piece, 1-1-3
                510, Weavers Garden, 2-0-11
                896, toll Gate Piece, 1-3-35
Margaret Lister 691a, H&G
                697, Garden
James Foster    685b, H&G, relet to John Lister

John & Lloyd Lister:
Henry Grove     32, Cottage & Garden

John Lister:
Thomas Haines   89c, House & Yard (H&Y)
William Parsons 89d, H&Y
John Hayman     89e, H&Y
John Dearborn   89f, House
William Davies  91a, H&G
William Cartwright 193d, H&Y, Shop, Stable
Hannah Guest    219, H&G
John Lister     282a, house

Thomas Lister:
Thomas Lister   89g, Warehouse
John Westhay    339b, H&G
Abraham Westhay 339c, H&G

Edward Lister:
William Allison 287c, House
William Hopton, 282b, H&G

John Potts:
Sarah Roper & James Harrison, 42d, H&G
William Roper:
Benjamin Bradley 108d, H&G & Pigsty

Thomas Wilde:
Elizabeth Roper 37f, House
Samuel Morris sen 38d, H&G

Rev Thomas Forrester (Glebe):
Thomas Lister   824, Parson's Piece
Lord Forrester  266b, carthouse, relet to Edward Lister.

Barrow:
Richard Scale: Piece of Land, 3-0-0
Sir John Acton:
Thomas Roper    220, Cottage & Land, Meadow, 0-0-30
                227, Garden, Meadow, 0-0-15
                222, H&G & Croft, 0-2-14


      Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:24:21 +0000
Andrew Hill.

I began searching my family history about 2 years ago. I knew from people alive and who I can remember some of my ancestors. I remember my Great Grand mother Beatrice Alice Garbett who died in her 90's. I looked her birth up and found:

No 306, 11/9/1884, 5, Fisher Street, Dudley, Beatrice Alice Garbett, Girl, Father, Luke Garbett (Puddler) mother, Eliza Garbett (formerly) Edwards. registered 23/10/1884 by X Eliza Garbett, 5, Fisher Street, Dudley.

I then looked for a marriage for Luke and Eliza.

No 396, 12/7/1884, St John's Church, Dudley,
Luke Garbett, 23, Bachelor, Iron worker, Dudley Port, (father) Benjamin Garbett (deceased) Moulder.
Eliza Edwards, 20, Spin, Fisher Street, Dudley, (father) Alfred Edwards (deceased) Brewer.
X Luke and X Eliza, Witnessed by Daniel and Sarah Ann Smart.

Eliza was around 7 months pregnant and Daniel Smart was the church beadle and Sarah Ann his sister. So unsure if there had been a family rift?

I then looked on the 1881 census to find their parents and where they were living?

Luke Garbett drew a blank and I have not been able to get any further? Luke was probably not his first name. I checked deaths of Benjamin Garbetts before 1881-1863 and only came up with a few that could have been his father, but ages were not supplied on early ones. I have checked Dudley Port, Tipton area parish records and found no Benjamin Garbett with a male son of Lukes age?

Eliza Edwards was living with her parents at 5, Fisher Street, Dudley:
Alfred Edwards,Brewer,49, born, Lanterdine, Hereford.
Mary A. Edwards, wife, 44, born, Broseley, Shropshire.
William Edwards, son, 20, Maltster, un,born Dudley, Worcs.
Alfred Edwards, son, 18, Moulder (mf), un, born Dudley, Worcs.
Eliza Edwards,daugh, 17, un, born Dudley, Worcs.
Harriet Edwards, daugh, 11, un, Scholar, born Dudley, Worcs.
Clara Edwards, daugh, 9, Scholar,born Dudley, Worcs.
Julia Edwards, daugh, 5, Scholar, born Dudley, Worcs.

There was a multitude of Eliza Edwards on G.R.O. in the Dudley area, so to move on quickly I searched, found and got Clara Edwards birth certificate (to get Mary's maiden name)

No 294, 13/10/1871, Court no 8, 30, Castle Street, Dudley, Clara Edwards, girl, father, Frederick Edwards (Inn Keeper, Brewer) mother, Mary Ann Edwards (Gething), registered 9/12/1871 by X Frederick Edwards.

I then looked for a marriage between Frederick and Mary Ann before 1861:

No 118, 22/2/1857 St James Church Dudley,
Alfred Edwards, Full age, Bach, Labourer, Dudley, Father William Edwards (farmer) Mary Ann Gethen, Full age, Spin, Dudley, Father Robert Gethen (miner)
X  Alfred X Mary Ann     Witnesses: James Webb, X Elizabeth Webb.

So I knew Mary Ann Gethen, or Gething born about 1837, Father Robert (miner). I went to Shrewsbury Archives and found the baptism:

N0 580, 31/6/1837, St Leonards Broseley, Salop, Mary Ann Gething, parents, Robert (collier) and Sarah Gething, Broseley Hill.

As I have told you I then found Robert Gething and Sarah Ropers Marriage on I.G.I. as a down load. I also saw the 1841 census details.

On the 1861 of Dudley:
Frederick Edwards, 29, Labourer Railway, born Adforton, Hereford.
Mary A. Edwards, 24, Wife, born Broseley, Salop.
Sarah A. Edwards, 3, Daugh, born Dudley, Worcs.
William Henry Edwards, 7 months, son, born Dudley, Worcs.

All ages on the 1841 census of Broseley are all given (not rounded up to the next 5th year)
So Sarah would have been born around 1816. She married Robert on 3/4/1836, aged about 20 and had Mary Ann 30/6/1837.
I know Sarah was christened in 1819 but families often couldn't afford it just after the birth of a child.
Do you know if any other Roper was christened at the same time?
No father was given for Robert or Sarah, on their marriage certificate.


THE WILLENHALL SUPERMAN (George Lister 1832-1905)

 

Whose amazing coalface feats installed him as King of the Black Country Colliers over 100 years ago


In a recent issue, Mrs. L. Spearing of Wednesfield, asked readers for information about her ancestor, George Lister, of Willenhall. She believed that he had been a noted strongman at the end of the last century, when, apparently, he attracted the nickname of the "Big Hitter".
   The tale of this amazing Black Country great of the 19th century has, until now, remained unpublicised. and we are eternally grateful to Heath Town reader, Leonard Muir, for allowing us to borrow a remarkable document, dating from the 1890s, that describes some of George Lister's strongman feats. The hand-written document consists of a large square of card, with a photograph (reproduced right) of the ageing "Big Hitter" mounted at its centre. The scribe who assembled this unique record remains unknown - even though the wording begins, "Dear Reader, I George Lister, born on the 16th August, 1832...", it is believed that the writer's educated and styled hand could not have been that of the 'hard as nails' miner from Willenhall.

Ancestral Links


Mr. Muir has distant ancestral links with the "Big Hitter", who was the great grandfather of his wife. Rose Elizabeth (nee Blunt). She was born six years after his death, in 1905. The document had previously been in the possession of Rose's aunt, Lilly Lister (George's grand-daughter), who lives in Sedgley.
   It appears that George Lister was a man highly proud of his strength, and, in particular his ability to work harder and longer than any other man - in his job as a collier. He was obviously well-known throughout the Black Country and beyond, as he worked at a number of collieries, on a freelance basis. Often wagers were staked on his ability to cut further into a seam than another powerful grafter, or, even, a gang of men. As the photograph shows, George was a stout, hard-featured fellow, and he must have won much more money than he lost in these gruelling encounters!
   Born in Broseley, Shropshire, he moved with his family to Willenhall at an early age. It is stated at the beginning of the document, "I cannot boast of my own strength, but of God who enabled me by his Almighty power to do the following work..." The first feat recorded took place in 1850, when he was 18 years of age - "In Sparrow's Field I did twenty and a half days work in one week". In this and following statements he was obviously comparing his workrate to that normally expected.
   A similar feat was recorded for the year 1851, in Badger’s Field, for Charles Simms. The fields referred to would have been the site of the coal-workings.
   Ten years later, in 1861, “At Tividale, for W. Rounds, three and a half days holing in one day”. In 1862, “In Priestfield, for John Easilow, 21 ½ yards and six inches in one day”.
   During this period other similar feats were recorded at The Junction (for Messrs Willetts), at Lums in Lancashire, at Bilston (for Edward Reynolds), at Polesworth, at Brownhills, (for Joseph Owen), at Sneyd Pool (for Charles Hathers), at The Meadows (for Richard Willetts), at Hednesford Old Pits, at Lane Head (for John Adams).

Wager At Ashmore Park


    The first wager he referred to was connected with a feat at Ashmore Park Colliery (for John Hill), in 1881, when he worked against James Jaques and Richard Brazier, one on nights, the other on days. "The two drove nineteen yards in one week, I drove nineteen and a quarter yards."
    A little earlier, in 1872, he told how he had a miraculous escape in Joseph Owen's Brownhills pit - "I had been working all nights, and after ringing to be drawn up I turned to reach a bottle, and the cage started up without me. During its ascent a carriage wheel (about 1cwt) was thrown down the pit, and knocked the end of the cage off".
   Referring to another wager, he describes how he worked against a man called Samuel Boughey, who cut ten feet in longer time than ittook the "Big Hitter" to cut thirteen.
   In the early 1890's, when he was almost 60 years of age, he was still "gooin strong". He did four and a quarter days work in six hours at Whitehouse Field, Moseley Village (for John Southan), and also recorded similar achievements at Granville Colliery, Swadlincote, Stanton Lane, Colliery, Derbyshire, and Fenn's Old Colliery (for William Bickley).
   Not only did his employers have ample reason to appreciate George Lister's phenomenal workrate.   "In 1860, an accident happened at Peascroft. I rescued a man named Clayton, after he had been buried for 13 hours...In 1861, Joseph Probert, and Thomas Rudge were stopped up. I was sent for and drove over nine yards in a little head and got them both out alive...In 1872 Thomas Bradley of Spring Bank was stopped in by a fall of roof. I cleared from 6 to 7 yards and got him out alive".
   And the feats go on - so numerous that space does not allow us to mention them all.
   There is no reference to the nickname, "Big Hitter", or why he should have been so-described. But, in those tough old days, men were used to settling arguments with their fists, and, no doubt, George's strength was often put to good use on such occasions.
    The barons of 19th century industry expected no less than blood, sweat and tears from their workers, who, when viewed in the light of today's expectations, were a cruelly downtrodden class. Even so, a man of George Lister's calibre would have been something of a phenomenon, much sought after and well rewarded by the coalmasters of his time.
   Today, the tables have been turned - industrial, rather than human muscle is generally in the ascendancy, and technological developments have reduced physical exertion at the pitface and on the assembly line. Nevertheless, in any age, the 'hard work' ethic of the Big Hitter would be wholly worthy of emulation. He was a legend in his own time, and is rightly described as The King of the Black Country Colliers!

MORE ON “THE BIG HITTER”


Following last month’s article on “The Willenhall Superman”, George Lister, we have received further correspondence from Wednesfield reader, Mrs L Spearing, who originally made mention of her strongman ancestor several months ago.


She has managed to unearth more details relating to the remarkable life of George Lister (alias "The Big Hitter"). It is believed that during his two marriages he fathered over thirty children, and, on one occasion, fellow miners at Brownhills tried, unsuccessfully, to kill him, because his phenomenal workrate resulted in less work for themselves. Mrs. Spearing has also managed to obtain a copy of his 'burial card', dating from 1905. She writes...
"With reference to the front page article for May, "The Willenhall Superman". Since writing to you, asking for information from your readers, I, and my cousin, Mrs. J Schubert, have done some research.
   I was able to copy the document in the possession of Len and Rose Muir. You were quite right when you said it could not have been written by the "hard as nails" miner, because George Lister could neither read nor write. It was, in fact, written by a poet, named Thomas Bratt, who also wrote the verses enclosed. These were discovered only recently by my uncle, John Lister, in a wallet belonging to his father who was "The Big Hitter's" grandson. He was given the name of "The Big Hitter" by his fellow workmen, because of the way he could swing the hammer.
   It is said he fathered 35 children, but we have yet to prove this fact. When he was 19, he was married with a baby son, Thomas, who was named after George's father. Thomas, who. in his later years, kept the Cock Inn. High St., Portobello (which no longer exists). When he was 53 years old, "The Big Hitter" fathered a son, Arthur, who was born in 1885.1 do not know if this was his last child, or if there were more after this date.
   About the time of the photograph you printed, "The Big Hitter" was living in Bridge St, Portobello, and he kept pigs. My grandfather, Frederick Lister, used to tell of the hams, hanging round the room in his grandfather's house, so the family obviously ate well.
   As it says in the tribute, he was a very generous man to his starving neighbours, and very peace-loving. Even so, the men who worked with him, in the Brownhills pit, tried to kill him in 1872, by throwing a carriage wheel down the shaft. They said he was a Demon, because he could do so much work and they thought he was doing their share, when, in fact, he never took work from them maliciously. He just worked hard to earn a living.
   He died in 1905, at the age of 72, a great age for a hard working miner of thos days. His death was brought about him shovelling a large mound of earth that had to be levelled. He was doing this on a cold snowy day in April. A few days later he developed pneumonia. He never recovered.


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In memoriam: George Lister.

A Tribute from a Friend.
Another genius has passed away,
And left this humble mortal coil of clay,
To mingle with the angels pure and free,
In that bright land, to us a mystery.

In days gone by by at times, he’s tried to save
His fellow comrades from a lingering grave,
He’s oft assisted others who were poor
When hearing they were starving near his door.

Gifted by god a mysterious way,
One of the greatest workmen in his day.
But one who never dropped his fellow’s wage,
Not even when he was advanced age.

But unexpected. Death, he came one day,
And took his power, and gifts and life away
But farewell friend, I hope all shall meet
Some day around our loving Saviour’s feet

Portobello      Thomas Bratt (Braft?)


 

Changes:

24/11/00 edit Ethel Ann Lister.
16/12/00 add death of William & Thomas Lister.
18/12/00 details of George Lister (b 1832).
24/12/00: descendants of George Lister.
15/1/2001: C71, 81 Thomas Lister.
28/2/2001: Hannah Hughes family. + IGI.
15/6/2001: resaved HTML from Word
7/9/2001: John Hughes D/C
5/11/2001: Hughes IGI Data
11/1/2002: Ann Hughes DC
18/2/2002: Census Results
14/3/2002: misc downloads added.
1/5/2002: Index & links to downloads.
18/7/2002: Layout.
17/9/2002: William Lister DC
28/9/2002: 1901 Census.
8/11/2002: Sarah Roper 1819
20/11/2002: Downloads re Broseley.
15/5/2003: Appendices
25/8/2003: C91 internet
14/11/2003: Benthall PR, Wrockwardine, Broseley Tithes
24/11/2003: Misc coal info - edited.
15/2/2004: Sarah Roper/Gething
30/6/2004: Insert Tree.
4/09/2004: Dower House collection etc.
24/3/2005: Site visit to The Lea (Hughes' farm)
14/8/2005: Census results
12/7/2006: Lucy Palmer Wildgoose descendants.
19/2/2007: Lynn Spearing death.
21/6/2008: Edited and minor additions
30/9/2010: Added Parish Record info.
24/9/2011: reissued
17/3/2012: minor change
2/5/2015: minor additions.
13/10/15: web frame


Shropshire Printed PR:

Lic 01: Battlefield, Pitchford, Smethcote, Stapleton, Moreton Corbet, Albrighton (shrews), Broughton
Lic 03: Albrighton (W’ton), Boningale, Donington, White Ladies.
Lic 04: Fitz, Froudesley, Uppington, Tong, Adderley
Lic 05: Astley, Withington, Stirchley, Uffington, Ruyton XI towns, Leebotwood, Longnor.
Lic 06: Condover
Lic 07: Montford, Clive, Sheriffhales, Hordley
Lic 08: Wrockwardine Morton Say
Lic 09: Wem, Edstaston, Newtown.
Lic 10: Wem, Edstaston, Newtown.
Lic 11: Wroxeter, Hodnet, Weston under Red Castle
Lic 12: St Mary’s Shrewsbury
Lic 13: Edgmond, Tiberton, Water Upton, Great Bolas, Eaton Constantine
Lic 14: Leighton, Atcham, Buildwas, Berrington
Lic 15: St Chad’s Shrewsbury Vol 1
Lic 16: St Chad’s Shrewsbury Vol II
Lic 17-2: St Chad’s Index.

Hereford 01: Shipton, Ford, Hughley, Hanwood, Wolstaston, Tasley, Sidbury.
Hereford 02: Sibdon Carood, Hopton Castle, More, Clunbury
Hereford 03: Lydham, Edgton, Monk Hopton, Chelmarsh, Neenton, Billingsley
Hereford 04: Stanton Lacey, Bitterley
Hereford 05: Bromfiled, Greete, Bedstone, Middleton Scriven, Deuxhill & Glazeley, Habberley, Cardeston, Ratlinghope.
Hereford 06: Alberbury Pt II
Hereford 08: Chirbury, Church Stretton
Hereford 09: Cleobury Mortimer, Hopton Wafers
Hereford 10: Claverley
Hereford 11: Worthen
Hereford 12: Pontesbury
Hereford 13: Ludlow
Hereford 14: Ludlow
Hereford 15: Diddlebury, Munslow
Hereford 16: Oldbury, Church Preen, Badger, Burford, Willey, Neen Sollars, Milson.
Heref 17: Neen Savage, Kinlet, Stokesay, Wistanstow

St Asaph 01: Meverley, Selattyn.
St Asaph 02: Whittington, Halston
St Asaph 03/3: Llanyblodwell
St Asaph 03: Kinnerley, Knockin, Llanyblodwell
St Asaph 04: Oswestry
St Asaph 05: Oswestry
St Asaph 06: Oswestry
St Asaph 07: Oswestry
St Asaph 08: Llanymynech, St Martins


To Do:

Enville & Kinver Tithe & Enclosures

To Do,

15/11/2003:

Coal mining in the area.

 

Samuel & Sarah Lister:-
Council activity 1898-1912.

Samuel Lister (business)

 

William Lister:-

Coroner’s inquest Walsall.
Little London Baptist Chapel records.

Property records for Old Malt Shovel PH, High St Portobello

 

David Palmer:

Willenhall PR for children 1844-64.

 

Thomas & Ann Lister:

W'ton PR for Hannah 1835, John 8?/1837, Abraham 1839, Jacob 1841.

Roper Family More research reqd at Shrewsury.

When did Baptists start their own PR?

John Palmer: Kinver & Enville PR's.


To Do:
Photo sketch of Lea, Wrockwardine, Shropshire Archives. – done
Lichfield St Chad indexes etc for Mary Roberts.


Photo Tithe maps

William Lister - Coroner's inquest, 27/12/1884 – Walsall?
Lists of miners Wolverhampton, Willenhall & Broseley.

Samuel Lister: JP records.

Deeds and papers relating to Thomas Lister of Broseley, wine merchant.

This record is held by Shropshire Archives

See contact details

Reference:  5380/4/14-124 Shropshire Archives.

Will of Thomas Lister: Prob 25/11/1873. ordered 21/5/19



[1] Civil Registration for Bth & Mar

[2] Family Records

[3] Commercial Gazette, London 30/11/1892, winding up of partnership Lister Harvey & Hall, Etna? Foundry, Birmingham St Willenhall, iron founders. Nov 11. Newspapers.com
Our Samuel Lister is the only one in Willenhall 1891 Census
London Gazette, 22/11/1892:
NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership which has for some time past been carried on by Samuel Lister, Oliver Joseph Harvey, and John William Windsor Hall, under the style or firm of Lister, Harvey, and Hall, at the Etna Foundry, Birmingham-street, Willenhall, in the county of Stafford, in the trade or business of Ironfounders, has been dissolved by mutual consent. — As witness our hands this 11th day of November, 1892.
SAMUEL LISTER.
OLIVER JOSEPH HARVEY.
JOHS W. W. HALL.

[4] Probate

[5] PR

[6] Mar Cert

[7] Online copy source

[8] Wolverhampton History Centre, online, 011574&5.pdf

[9] Wolverhampton History Centre, online, 011572.pdf

[10] PR – there is no definitive evidence that this is the correct one!

[11] Death Cert

[12] M/C

[13] PR

[14] Death Cert.

[15] Wolverhampton History Centre, online, 011573.pdf

[16] Salop Archives, XWB/F/3/3/143.

[17] Curious Fox internet forum, 2008. Nothing further, 3 2013.

[18] http://www.staffspasttrack.org.uk/exhibit/coal/organization/buttysystem.htm.
Coal Mining in North Staffordshire, Staffordshire Multi media archive 3/2013

[19] Internet download: http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/articles/Willenhall/Pubs.htm.
Willenhall though the Ages by Bev Parker. 3/2013

[20] PR

[21] Wolverhampton History Centre – W’ton Burials.

[22] Wolverhampton History Centre – W’ton Burials.

[23] Wolverhampton History Centre – W’ton Baps.

[24] Wolverhampton History Centre – W’ton Burials.

[25] Wolverhampton History Centre – W’ton Baps.

[26] Wolverhampton History Centre – W’ton Burials.

[27] Wolverhampton History Centre – W’ton Baps.

[28] The Hyde Mill

 

Less than one hundred and fifty years ago Kinver possessed a flourishing iron industry with major ironworks at Lower Whittington and at the Hyde.

 

Both these enterprises owed their existence to Hyde Mill, the iron slitting mill which Richard Foley built in 1629 and generally accepted as being the first commercially successful slitting mill in England. This was a time when three quarters of all iron produced in the country was used for making nails.

 

Before the introduction of the slitting mill iron, from the forges, had to be rolled and then slit by hand using chisels in order to render it suitable for nailmaking. Foley's process, after rolling the reheated bar, was to pass the resulting plate between sets of meshing cutting discs. working rather in the manner of the cutting discs of a modern geared can opener. The mill was powered by the River Stour and here there is conjecture that there may have been two water wheels on the site to drive the two shafts of the mill machinery.

 

The existence of the mill site at the Hyde is undisputed for there is documentary evidence to support the claim. Indeed, in the first year of its operation, the mill was the subject of a protracted lawsuit whereby Foley's neighbours sought compensation for flooding caused by damming the Stour and the damage to the land from the passage of carts to and from the mill. Most of the supplies of bar iron at that time came from forges to the north of Kinver, on the Smestow, from Myddleton Forge in Shropshire and iron delivered from Bewdley. Accounts exist for the output of Hyde Mill in the 1670 s detailing the tonnage's of iron supplied and slit. Later, when the so-called 'Ironworks in Partnership", a consortium of Stour Valley ironmasters founded by the Foleys in 1692, became dominated by the Knight family, iron supplies to the mill came from other sources. Whittington forge supplied up to 1735, together with Cookley Forge who continued to supply Hyde Mill until 1776. That year accounts record a dramatic drop in tonnage slit, down to 50 tons from a previous record of 890 tons, caused by the Whittington Forge possessing their own slitting mill and thus able to process their own forged iron.

 

The introduction of Henry Cort's process in 1784, to produce small diameter iron rod by rolling instead of slitting, saw the demise of slitting so far as Hyde Mill was concerned. By 1791 it too was rolling iron bar.

 

The economic decline, following the Napoleonic Wars, brought further changes and by 1828 Hyde Mill, Hyde House (originally built by the Foleys) and a corn mill adjacent to the slitting mill, were leased to Joseph and Thomas Parkes who were spade manufacturers. Later, in 1865, the mill was again leased to another Thomas Parkes also making spades and shovels . After a period of uncertainty Hyde Mill was taken over in 1888 by Isaac Nash & Sons, the well known scythe and edge-tool makers of Belbroughton in Worcestershire. The mill survived as a spade works until about 1912 and the buildings became derelict.

 

It is the footings of these structures and the boundary walls fronting the lane, leading from the Hyde to Hyde Lock, which are visible today. Behind them, on private property, are the dangerous overgrown remains of culverts and sluices which powered and controlled the water-driven tilt hammers and the spade works. The course of the River Stour at the Hyde was possibly changed: on a map of 1820 (drawn for the sale of the estate), today's course, rushing over a weir under the bridge, was marked as Back Brook. The main flow of the river fed the mill and with the sluice controlled overflow, passed into the channel that is now a tributary rejoining the Stour below Hyde Lock.

 

Of the larger ironworks at the Hyde, making wrought iron, with its ultimate total of 21 puddling furnaces, steam driven hammers and rolling plant, hardly anything remains. We can however gain a good impression of the works from an engraving published in Griffith's 1873 "Guide to the Iron Trade of Great Britain' and the 25 inch Ordnance Survey map of 1882. The site was completely razed in 1901 when the Kinver Light Railway was built, crossing the site and using the furnace slag heaps for track ballast.

 

The expansion of the works dates back to 1789 when the Homfray family of Gothersley acquired lands from the Dunsley estate and erected furnaces and forges. By 1797 the Homfrays had installed Kinver's first steam engine to operate a trip hammer.

 

In 1809, on the death of Francis Homfray, the ironworks was put up for sale but in the event it was purchased by his heirs. By 1819 the business was failing and Thomas Homfray was declared bankrupt.

 

The outcome of the sale of administration was for the business to pass to the bankers who in turn leased out the various operations. They also lent considerable sums for the renovation of furnaces, machinery and the purchase of new equipment. A detailed inventory of the ironworks property was drawn up in 1831 from which some idea of the scale of operations can be assessed. The works by this time was employing several hundred men.

 

The tenancy changed in 1838 to Bolton and Lee who continued to expand the facilities with more puddling furnaces, rolling plant and a canal wharf. By 1862 the works was entering its busiest period but gradually the competition from cheaper steel began to bring the inevitable decline and by 1888 it was forced to close.

 

Surprisingly its near neighbour Hyde Mill as a spade works, was able to survive for another 25 years.

 

Thus ended a significant chapter in Kinver's history which, in its time, embraced one of the important landmarks in the advance of British ironmaking.

 

A more detailed study of the subject is contained in M V Cooksley's paper "The Iron Industry of Kinver", published in 1976 and available in Kinver Reference Library,

 

[29] Four Ashes Hall lies in extensive gardens and grounds within a private estate and remains largely unaltered, even untouched, for the last one hundred years.

 

It has remained in the same family for 350 years. Lack of change or modernisation has resulted in something of a time capsule. In 1997 Stephen Thompson became the latest member of the family to inherit and he is now in the process of restoring the house, outbuildings and gardens.

 

As you enter through the Victorian Gothic porch the long processional hall leads into large rooms with original furnishings, family portraits and books. Tall windows give spectacular views over the gardens and fine trees. The kitchen wing retains a mass of original features. Upstairs twenty four rooms are largely unaltered. Wardrobes contain Georgian costumes and medicine cabinets are lined with hundred year old remedies.

 

The earliest parts of the house were built by Henry Wollaston in the 17th century with extensive alterations and additions in the 18th and 19th centuries by successive generations of the family. Original architects plans for the alterations together with alternatives considered are all still in the house. The stable block was built in about 1765 by Joseph Amphlett with funds from the East India Company. It is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture, The complete restoration of this is planned with assistance from English Heritage. A variety of uses are being considered which would include access to the public.

[30] XWB/B/1/1/22

[31] PR Transcript (Shropshire Lichfield Vol 8) Salop Archives

[32] Yeomen & Colliers in Telford, Supp, Shrops Archives. Download from Findmypast, 9/2017.

[33] Yeomen & Colliers in Telford, Supp, Shrops Archives. Download from Findmypast, 9/2017.

[34] PR Transcript P39